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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:46:28 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up
From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 13:59 +0300, Arvids Godjuks wrote:
> It is based on the fact that there are too many people writing to internals
> and mailing lists are not actually manageable at this level. I stopped
> following all the stuff around a year ago, when I started to get like 15 to
> 30 maillist threads in my inbox daily (hundreds of mails) and too much
> noise.

Get a better mail client and better mail filters.

> So, I think, it's time to move to a forum.

I hope this is a joke.

>  Actual forum, that can be
> managed, can have sections dedicated to certain stuff and has user

We have multiple lists for different things.

> management that allows to mute or actually ban people who are not able to
> behave, troll and do other kind's of stupid stuff that disrupts the work.

We can ban people and have done that twice or so. PHP is open. If people
annoy you, you can filter them out.

> Many devs are already just ignoring this mailing list, so what is the point
> of having it if relevant people just don't read it?

People read what they consider interesting and ignore other threads, and
I assume this here will end in many ignores.

> The list should remain of course, just to be used as a notification tool
> for new important forum threads, RFC's, daily/weekly digest so that those
> who have less time can still follow all the stuff in a compact manner.

While loosing the structuring proper mail programs offer and having
media breaks - switching between forums and mail.

Just a simple examples what mail can do: I can write a mail to the list
an CC the relevant maintainer to draw his attention and he can directly
answer from there. Or I can xpost to bring a discussion from the "CVS"
list, about some "bad" commit to internals. Mail is open, forums are
locking in.

I haven't seen any useful forum. If Google/Bing/duckduck send me to a
forum it's always a pain to follow those completely unstructured
discussions (mail has In-Reply-to headers allowing a proper client to
sort/nest accordingly etc.)


johannes