Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:68994 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24821 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2013 10:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2013 10:59:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=arvids.godjuks@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=arvids.godjuks@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.43 mail-la0-f43.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.43] ([209.85.215.43:62694] helo=mail-la0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0C/21-15730-71D40325 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:59:36 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id ep20so7196264lab.2 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=i6lgYplIwSqPrRvj61FzpBVorX26Sj9PMpd7NMT+EhY=; b=H9H5FsP5ITJ9lE4GoSt++M2tCMBrSvUNnxp1yRv+sfsfyR4Uin7NFWD/xf4haOpFll Cja1FEwEgyDETAxfPKWJT9Fv2PPHchMSKGVf1Mqixe0syuVAIN89lbQYVYZM6IA6xmMP nx3+USJampYTDtG1kzLERAVcaCGqaOC2HvEiLmQVrzKxhixCVgk3QMg5GDhf91nckgxy UOQ8DjrR6/wl68PPkxGM27y05e4e/giWNz6C0f/Zdq9LKTIyThnaXuqB9RHMOVD1VSC3 ia9RWI42FekMHnVA5El9KUDShnm7a2lhX3rg934j+vMZ2vixc1znK0SaAPEgNZ65Xdk9 c9eg== X-Received: by 10.152.22.198 with SMTP id g6mr784737laf.5.1378897173077; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:59:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.11.135 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:59:13 +0300 Message-ID: To: Florin Patan Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160bab02ee2ff04e6198403 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Wake up From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks) --089e0160bab02ee2ff04e6198403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello everyone. I just want to point out one thing about all that internals stuff and remind about a good idea that has been surfacing a few times through the years, but now I think it can actually get traction because of recent problems. It is based on the fact that there are too many people writing to internals and mailing lists are not actually manageable at this level. I stopped following all the stuff around a year ago, when I started to get like 15 to 30 maillist threads in my inbox daily (hundreds of mails) and too much noise. So, I think, it's time to move to a forum. Actual forum, that can be managed, can have sections dedicated to certain stuff and has user management that allows to mute or actually ban people who are not able to behave, troll and do other kind's of stupid stuff that disrupts the work. Many devs are already just ignoring this mailing list, so what is the point of having it if relevant people just don't read it? The list should remain of course, just to be used as a notification tool for new important forum threads, RFC's, daily/weekly digest so that those who have less time can still follow all the stuff in a compact manner. Hell, I even volunteer to do integration stuff with mailing list, wiki and other, just don't give me too much frontend stuff to do. Arvids. --089e0160bab02ee2ff04e6198403--