Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:68893 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78603 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2013 08:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Sep 2013 08:51:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.179 mail-lb0-f179.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.179] ([209.85.217.179:49287] helo=mail-lb0-f179.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0F/2A-01925-DF548225 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:51:10 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x18so1366616lbi.24 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 01:51:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Q75454+TGhS8FJqm8IOSBQSZeF06CTfR5zIfLRAhgn0=; b=FAKfhSF5oLAwRGibU7Fp6Xnw51SgAuP2k0ifgnaVrU9b0PmgGavsnuHGFFdkK7Yvr9 T7Vkeyxpg4PhSBmXn2wZNs3I18cgHXuzniHUU0WoYo/Ege1c6FHpFUhUWQIYzYoJQgz4 9gYs+Q1nfH3GZV+lCuhqNrh4JCaBr+G4uBM0rQ7zRpv0X2OuEgXKRH31x9LBYf1tIqv3 gmKtVBviXxjLbeuJh3Wmd79MG8vvI3docB6+cIersEL2VnDp4qf27YPLN07Bw1ljyDSM 0+nrJF+Jsam8sSx4535ZLpLDtKwCa+IUsebd9Pm+ZG8NY3UMGVidrkwN/a60GT9/A4In ceIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.29.147 with SMTP id k19mr6302591lbh.9.1378371066197; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 01:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.148.138 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 01:51:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5220D212.3010101@sugarcrm.com> <61FCD6C4A31248078FEAD2BA73D7CD44@gmail.com> <7AF31CC1D1554454AC95AE758D23E92E@gmail.com> <52243F6C.7070806@sugarcrm.com> <5224EEEF.3070204@sugarcrm.com> <52250E8F.5010805@sugarcrm.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:51:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Krebs Cc: Levi Morrison , Stas Malyshev , Anthony Ferrara , Nicolas Grekas , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Function autoloading From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sebastian Krebs wrote: >> > That being said, there is always a point in a RFC discussion where >> > there is nothing left to discuss or argue about, we are so far with >> > this one. >> >> >> We've been at this point for a while; no new arguments have been raised >> despite several people asking to bring it back in focus. I totally understand your view on how such discussions go. However it was (for what I read) about technical issues and the tones were correct, could have been more diplomatic but that's fine imho. I am not sure how to solve this problem as we have to discuss things deeply and be sure that active core developers actually understand all the impact of a given proposal will have, that's a must. I am also relatively happy with the situation compared to other projects (try to do it on the kernel mailing list f.e.) while we have to put more efforts to be contributors friendly, like on the cairo project (best ever). Sadly Anthony took this whole thing way too personally and is leaving php.net, I'm not sure it is a definitive choice but it is a bad move, in many ways and for both php.net and himself. It is very common that not everyone agree with a proposal, or do not see the needs of it, trying to understand its impact or the reasoning behind it. If everyone begins to leave as soon as it happens, OSS would die, right now. Conclusion: We are a tech group, keep that in mind :) Cheers. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org