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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:59:34 +0200
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To: Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>
Cc: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>, 
	"RQuadling@gmail.com" <RQuadling@gmail.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments - new PHP feature: return typing
From: florinpatan@gmail.com (Florin Patan)

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote:
> I agree 100%.
>
> This particular item has been in the works since before I joined the team
> and I've given them a bollocking out over it.  You may have noticed
> UConverter and a few other changes which WERE proposed to internals@ prior
> to inclusion in HHVM and the implementation of those features were changed
> based on the feedback received from this group.
>
> I'm on PHP's side, guys.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I won't suggest that PHP should follow HHVM, if anything I'll usually
>>> (and
>>> have frequently) rallied for the other way around.  In this case,
>>> however,
>>> as with Generators, I think that we should endeavor to keep the
>>> implementations close together by the most appropriate means.  I don't
>>> want
>>> two versions of PHP syntax.
>>
>>
>> It would be nice if the HHVM devs could send a mail over to internals when
>> you're including new syntax, so we are a) aware of the fact that you're
>> adding it and might consider adding it too and b) have a chance to provide
>> some input on the feature (in particular also in order to bring it into a
>> form that PHP would be willing to include).
>>
>> I understand that discussing some new feature on internals most likely
>> needs five times more time than actually implementing it in HHVM, but I
>> think that it would benefit everyone if there was some communication between
>> the projects :)
>>
>> Nikita
>
>


Helo,


@Sara: thank you for the offer, I'll send you a mail, if it's ok with
you, in the next days, I'd want to make this as a tutorial and maybe
me implement it with your guidance, but more on this another time.

@All: please keep this discussion about adding the return typing
feature to PHP. There's a separate thread for HHVM + PHP and I think
it's a better place to talk about these issues. Search for title:
'Integrate HHVM into PHP (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for comments -
new PHP feature: return typing)'.
Also, I think it is great that people from FB could participate in
this since they are the largest instalment of PHP, if I'm not wrong,
and, while their needs might be sometimes specific to their
business/application, it's clear that their ultimate goal is a better
language and better performance, which I believe it's the same as
everyone here wants.

Thank you.



Best regards,
Florin