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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:07:57 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internal object orientation documentation available!
From: jpauli@php.net (Julien Pauli)

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On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Terry Ellison <ellison.terry@gmail.com>wr=
ote:

> On 10/06/13 19:33, Nikita Popov wrote:
>
>> We just published some rather extensive documentation on internal object
>> orientation:
>>
>>      http://www.phpinternalsbook.**com/classes_objects.html<http://www.p=
hpinternalsbook.com/classes_objects.html>
>>
>> This is part of a larger project aimed at documenting the engine and
>> making
>> it accessible to new contributors.
>>
> This looks like an excellent beginning so thanks.  A few general comments=
:
>
> 1)  I notice that your book is  "=A9 Copyright 2013, Julien Pauli - Antho=
ny
> Ferrara - Nikita Popov.  All Rights Reserved" rather than GDFL or one of
> the CC variants of open document licences.  They only issue that I see he=
re
> is that I -- and possibly others -- might be a bit guarded in providing
> comment and input if that content was being transferred to the authors
> unconditionally.  Also if you are reserving all rights then you will need
> to be careful to ensure that all the content is yours and not extracted
> from an open or other 3rd party source.  Surely this going to add to your
> authoring burden?
>

We just put copyright here, but the final licence will definitely be
permissive and CC based.
PDFs and other final formats will be available too.


>
> 2)  Wikipedia, for example, contains a lot of good in-depth explanation o=
f
> CompSci concepts and standard patterns such as
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Hash_table<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha=
sh_table>.
> You might consider the content cut: when you include basic discussion of
> 101 principles (e.g. on HashTables); and when you limit
> your content to their PHP-specific implementation, with suitable
> references to the 101 stuff. Tending to the former will make the book a l=
ot
> longer, albeit standalone.  Your call, but I would have thought that the
> majority of the readership by nature will have some CompSci background an=
d
> so want to skip the 101 stuff, or be referenced out to the appropriate
> in-depth WP or other reference.
>
> 3) What is your preferred markup format for feedback and contributions?
>  E.g.  do you maintain an ODF or Docbook XML under some accessible git
> repository, or is is a case of (for example)
>

Actually we would like to keep the lead on this project , as we are still
writing, and as you could see there is so much work still to be done, we
don't really think about feedbacks yet.
If we were about getting some feedbacks, at this stage, this would add more
work for us, and at this stage still : things may still move.

We have even not published the full TOC yet , though we (3 authors) agreed
with it.
To let you know, we started this project on November 1st 2012.

We'd like the book to be interesting for many people, whoever they are, so,
we will add chapters about more general purpose on CompuSci, though they
wont be as detailed as the true-PHP ones.

Julien.Pauli

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