Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:67552 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 19438 invoked from network); 27 May 2013 08:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 May 2013 08:35:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=hello@apfelbox.net; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=hello@apfelbox.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain apfelbox.net from 83.169.28.40 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: hello@apfelbox.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 83.169.28.40 vwp5063.webpack.hosteurope.de Received: from [83.169.28.40] ([83.169.28.40:43070] helo=vwp5063.webpack.hosteurope.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F5/E0-32733-ABA13A15 for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 04:35:08 -0400 Received: from hsi-kbw-5-56-219-61.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de ([5.56.219.61] helo=[192.168.0.72]); authenticated by vwp5063.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1UgstT-0002Gv-Ou; Mon, 27 May 2013 10:35:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 10:35:03 +0200 To: Pierre Joye Cc: Sanford Whiteman , =?utf-8?Q?Leszek_Krupi=C5=84ski?= Message-ID: <1365CA005E814697B447DD55A243832A@apfelbox.net> In-Reply-To: References: <51A092FC.4010700@wikimedia.org> <51A1AF3E.5000704@sugarcrm.com> <51A2D395.5030302@sugarcrm.com> <1022965181.20130527011024@cypressintegrated.com> <51A2FD10.7030906@gmail.com> <293168642.20130527032001@cypressintegrated.com> X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="51a31ab7_2eb141f2_1005" X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;hello@apfelbox.net;1369643707;7afc4b26; Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] date.timezone E_WARNING -- Really necessary? What's the rationale? From: hello@apfelbox.net (Jannik Zschiesche) --51a31ab7_2eb141f2_1005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, Am Montag, 27. Mai 2013 um 09:27 schrieb Pierre Joye: > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Sanford Whiteman > wrote: > > > I am simply making the point that UTC is not the "default default" > > even when sysops or devs put their hands in. The choice isn't just UTC > > or what the end user personally sets. Domain time exists, no matter if > > Pierre has experienced it or not. > > > > > Ok, let me rephrase it in a more understandable way. > > We had it the way you are wishing it. It caused hundred of side > effects, bugs reports, bad behaviors, etc. This is something we don't > want to see again. Not because either the system administrators or the > application developers are not willing to add one line to php.ini or > to their application. For all the reasoning behind this choice, please > check the numerous bugs reports and discussions on internals. > would it be hard to just show the notice as soon as the user actually uses a function regarding to date/time (and not before)? Currently the message is shown all the time, at the start of the script - even if the script is as simple as > Cheers. > -- > Pierre > > @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --51a31ab7_2eb141f2_1005--