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Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 18:23:01 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] date.timezone E_WARNING -- Really necessary? What's the rationale?
From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov)

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On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Lowrey <rdlowrey@gmail.com> wrote:

> Granted, I don't
> have to answer the bug reports, but how difficult is it to say, "No,
> this is not a bug. Let me google this for you," and close as "Will not
> fix?"


Not difficult at all. We already have the quick-fix system in place,
exactly for cases like this. It requires one, just one click in the bug
mail to close the issue with an appropriate message.

This is how other common bogus bugs are handled, for example people
reporting "wrong float calculations". That's also why I don't buy this bug
report argument. I mean, by that line of thinking we should remove the
floating point quickfix and instead throw a warning on the first use of
floating point numbers that asks whether the user is sure that he
understands floating point arithmetic (with the ability to remove the
warning with an ini setting). Sure, that's one way to avoid bogus bug
requests - but it's a really, really absurd way.

And in any case, if you google for things like "php time wrong", "php dates
not correct" or "php time off by 5 hours" the first few results will all
tell you to use date_default_timezone_set() etc. Even if you don't know
about timezones, this fact should make debugging incorrect times pretty
straightforward. For this the warning does not seem necessary.

Nikita

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