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Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 01:20:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] date.timezone E_WARNING -- Really necessary? What's the rationale?
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Levi Morrison <morrison.levi@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> >>> The "U" in UTC *does* stand for "Universal," after all. It's a
>> >>> sensible default and as such shouldn't
>> >>
>> >> I don't think it's a sensible default - people don't actually use UTC
>> >> when considering dates. A minority of people can use timezone that
>> >> coincides with UTC, but not very many use actual UTC.
>> >
>> > I was wondering - why not get time zone info from operating system? It's
>> > should be quite easy on both *nixes and Windows. That way default value
>> > would be "from operating system", with possibility to override it in
>> .ini.
>>
>> I believe this may have been the behavior at some point; at least
>> date_default_timezone_get change in PHP 5.4 to no longer includes info
>> from the OS.
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> Couldn't we take a page from MySQL's book and have a setup script that
> prompts the admin for this (much like theirs prompts for a root password).
>  A reminder to run it could be added as a nag at the end of the install;
> or, perhaps even have it give you these setup prompts at the end of make
> install.  This way, any environment-specific settings we think should be
> there that don't have obvious defaults, like date.timezone, could be added
> as prompts in the setup script.  This would enable even inexperienced
> admins to add these settings without cluttering-up the bugs tracker.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --Kris
>
>
Another possible idea would be to make it so that you can specify the
date.timezone in configure.  This would cause make install to automatically
set it in php.ini.  That might be useful for folks like Daniel who don't
like having to do that extra step of manually editing php.ini to avoid
throwing warning errors.

--Kris

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