Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:67247 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25070 invoked from network); 1 May 2013 13:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2013 13:05:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=peter.e.lind@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=peter.e.lind@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: peter.e.lind@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.178 mail-lb0-f178.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.178] ([209.85.217.178:59451] helo=mail-lb0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 17/75-18873-11311815 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 09:05:22 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w10so1439127lbi.9 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=s3iF7u3o3fQbxFDaDkL5SlYDKeETqpLHVHDALyDbaHI=; b=p4qUze7uGU1/OjPBjdjnUOcKH3PDpYUk/2CyK+xTXqp+1GfeJWzdLEyL0RSFrY9RMz WZAmHYZho2himPfPXePaMQnrf499xC2OrwoB07o5XES1fPI7O9pJuwQuI60koxNZ6vco FDRk/u6vvNOC6DUm78RQKatXX/Czvpl7hqI5jhjvNwGvgHltA7fvgtqFsDQfTBRLtXsC lBcqITlaP21eMSMRJ1W59nxBiLgwwaL34QzaCQ7bIXn/xi3FM7BZtFAIlsjgA72reuVL hqGgFoH2Q7NqmsEWhl0Kfd/1YQuhDCewbBay4uA1kZ9KPEOeuYMtoPvsTCICxjeMXldE sLaw== X-Received: by 10.112.135.228 with SMTP id pv4mr1134566lbb.93.1367413518393; Wed, 01 May 2013 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.18.52 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 06:04:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6245ED6B-2BF7-47B7-80C0-D3B3D8E0B312@strojny.net> <51803086.6020002@sugarcrm.com> <51805A00.4050803@lerdorf.com> <5180652D.1080007@lerdorf.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 15:04:58 +0200 Message-ID: To: Rasmus Schultz Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122891e06689d04dba7c548 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] property de-referencing From: peter.e.lind@gmail.com (Peter Lind) --089e0122891e06689d04dba7c548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 1 May 2013 14:55, Rasmus Schultz wrote: > Then why are you not convincing them first to get them on board as support >> for your proposal. > > > It's not a proposal yet - I didn't want to write a lengthy RFC just to > learn that all I had was a brainfart, or that everyone was going to be > totally opposed. Having the discussion here surfaced a ton of questions > that (so far) indicate (to me) that this might be a good idea, and also > helps me address all of those questions if I do end up writing an RFC. > > If you think gathering the information in an RFC is the next logical step, > I will try to find the time :-) > > I think that 1) you might as well start the work now, both to give people a place to get an overview of the discussion and to gather up the questions of which there are already a few, and that 2) if you don't start by reaching out to your indicated main audience (frameworks) then you won't get the support the idea needs. Also, 3) as your indicated audience is frameworks they will presumably have a lot of feedback - including your basic "no we don't need this" or "this would be awesome". Note that I don't think frameworks would necessarily be the sole audience for this - I just think your time would be better spent taking the idea there first. Regards Peter -- WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk CV: careers.stackoverflow.com/peterlind LinkedIn: plind Twitter: kafe15 --089e0122891e06689d04dba7c548--