Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:67245 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21563 invoked from network); 1 May 2013 12:42:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 May 2013 12:42:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=peter.e.lind@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=peter.e.lind@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: peter.e.lind@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.181 mail-lb0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.181] ([209.85.217.181:58634] helo=mail-lb0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F5/C4-18873-79D01815 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 08:42:00 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 13so1408559lba.40 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Q6GQpUR1RxIlM1+uBODTJQY/YrxkAo8tiZ0/15c8k8Q=; b=RKLUQ6BHeTkHyvhcBOCaqJJnbbAcVxnSklsYnIdHG8uGPPb6EN5PmYx+R7SBJjpF1h PzsV6+OOv39T8ZAPfuA6daSrwh4sDry83wjXtXdlvU6RYQUM9dk448U0QyaZF6F4BFeC GPqM5AEpvAXkqGPxax6VdmOiri4L3MhLVn4zolu0fx2g3Hb4RImO8sMV82/h80EyWUg+ ySfusiZdQz1vykdzssP4BpcnbhJSTvmtbPZlxZqckX67Dr/pZ4CyEiK6R8pQEsElj603 aToHXK1pmM3G2BWIZ5dWtInQexgW7BMjEnNWLY2DXk98dA9f/JbnL2cW3z014uudvI2v 3mKQ== X-Received: by 10.152.2.102 with SMTP id 6mr907966lat.23.1367412116538; Wed, 01 May 2013 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.18.52 with HTTP; Wed, 1 May 2013 05:41:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6245ED6B-2BF7-47B7-80C0-D3B3D8E0B312@strojny.net> <51803086.6020002@sugarcrm.com> <51805A00.4050803@lerdorf.com> <5180652D.1080007@lerdorf.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:41:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: Rasmus Schultz Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , Stas Malyshev , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c6b8877cb5904dba7714a Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] property de-referencing From: peter.e.lind@gmail.com (Peter Lind) --089e013c6b8877cb5904dba7714a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 1 May 2013 14:35, Rasmus Schultz wrote: > > > > This is a fringe feature, as evidenced by the fact that you > > are having a hard time convincing people that it is needed > > > As with anything that isn't already established and well-known, it's hard > to convince anyone they need anything they don't understand - I think the > barrier here is me having difficulty explaining a new idea/concept. That > doesn't make it a fringe feature - I have already demonstrated by example > how this would be useful in practically every mainstream framework. > > Then why are you not convincing them first to get them on board as support for your proposal. Right now you're obviously fighting an uphill struggle. Whether that's because your proposal is without merit or because you have a hard time convincing people on this mailing list remains to be seen - so how about taking a smarter approach and convincing your target audience first, then come back here with more support and a better proposal? Just a thought. -- WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk CV: careers.stackoverflow.com/peterlind LinkedIn: plind Twitter: kafe15 --089e013c6b8877cb5904dba7714a--