Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66744 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74204 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2013 06:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Mar 2013 06:34:14 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.50 mail-la0-f50.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.50] ([209.85.215.50:36506] helo=mail-la0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1E/72-35504-46BFB415 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:34:13 -0500 Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ec20so6653291lab.37 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:34:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x9NbHzH9Zl0MJBEHpLySyhdiwSH42bgPbJNKEQ+wBKg=; b=XiUmIzUfkToDTq3///0m/frrl1oeY9CaiSvBH3nXH4NNvoJay/6daafjWVzp7JjqZG BE/TB0rJwx3j7/SYgpy6sP1262ljmglWxF8lEY/zsGKsGXPdjwOffo6w4ACgViN7a0jx vjX07N9882c541AXnxhw5IzELZn1paW1vzmPRAHwaRtA7swByZbtGfEX1wkSTLB1uLBt bf7MUdvrA0zQuqei04oLVO8BywDbFrxW0U3jVjXd8m7LYEG51yCgchTIsKQvD56w80rh W8Gf+8aOD0V4K+gEsTvvj+spPzHbEvJeL7Y3Oyso0x/jclhkzbYqWZKu9xVAlPG5i57h VIOA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.43.198 with SMTP id y6mr507495lbl.93.1363934049986; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.38.199 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:34:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <88c7d143620e5d9a32041b04d5c949bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <88c7d143620e5d9a32041b04d5c949bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:34:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: Andi Gutmans Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.5 Upgrade Notes Question From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) hi, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: > Some questions: > > - Dropped support for Windows XP & 2003: > > o Was this an RFC? At what point was it decided? (I may have missed it = in > that case I=92d just appreciate a pointer to where it was decided). I am > asking because XP still seems to be quite prevalent and while Microsoft > wants to incentivize people to upgrade by being aggressive around end of > life, not sure that=92s the most convenient for our users. It was announced with 5.4.0, 5.4.0 was the last release to support Windows XP/2003. Which were already not supported anymore back then. > - In =93Backwards Incompatible Changes=94 there=92s a big list o= f BC > changes that are internals and don=92t impact user land. So could come ac= ross > a lot more intimidating than it is. I think we should move towards the en= d > of the upgrade notes in a section of its own that=92s =93PHP Internals Ch= anges > =96 does not impact user space=94 (or something of that sort). I=92m happ= y to > make that change but wanted to bring it up before tackling it. Sounds good, also if they are internals changes, they should be part of UPGRADING.INTERNALS, which cruelly needs love: https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/UPGRADING.INTERNALS > - On similar note as previous item, should we put New Features > before BC changes? No big deal but it=92s always nice to have the more > positive piece first :) Sounds good too, however I have to check which BC changes are in there, as we are not supposed to allow any :) (except bugs fixes for bad/undocumented/random behavior as usual). Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye