Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66550 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73925 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2013 22:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Mar 2013 22:14:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 209.85.160.52 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.52 mail-pb0-f52.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.52] ([209.85.160.52:57238] helo=mail-pb0-f52.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 57/BD-31723-A2119315 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:14:02 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ma3so683685pbc.39 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:13:59 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=0+L0X1hSH1Iayi+J0VWC6J5F47ZSAJKM3RiojjlY9B0=; b=acixXoxQ7hCiPBnu0XH0+mvt16ZEHODPWDvz/cvJWP5m4LjNsGh2r/FpsbHOppl4EQ KbQQgFtZM5YamXm62nqedDu5O3ox2L7knet0E32oNaIxy3WjQUjpFpcTVbpAHJ0HJ6ly 6Ym682t5sOoDN/vCgFqrq/rD9vTGlf2iPk0SnhFyvdwKNIh/HpvcMyutyLuhKw0RQwEt In/Uk8Rec1BOp/6uNOyWQdEq1BVZf/jObmexvmCHXVZw5n22wAfEX9wa5FMJHx0pEEgM DihWIC3iFVeEtY8qXfAqXy9AtHtRVRV4hiCtEmyU4mTH+hylwROsAYphlzWBojcjWnvN rzIQ== X-Received: by 10.68.136.97 with SMTP id pz1mr47308676pbb.205.1362694439847; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.106] (c-71-56-134-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [71.56.134.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vq9sm2999556pbc.36.2013.03.07.14.13.57 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:13:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:13:56 -0800 Cc: David Soria Parra , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <94588049-D4FE-4ECF-9E32-D1DAE9FE235A@roshambo.org> References: <435a322ccb14090d3bcf6bf8a110396d@mail.gmail.com> <8944597477930141639@unknownmsgid> <5138CBBC.8030409@lerdorf.com> To: Anthony Ferrara X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQldh/wJ2OfqAjnS7CdhudCuvxghBh6QpOdyQkApXdmR2C0AkUlzt8b3eGLlJVS/DfYUIxcO Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) On Mar 7, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Philip, >=20 > Shouldn't we be focusing on how this makes PHP better? And not nitpick >> about a percentage point or two? >>=20 >=20 > Well, this passed with 62.8%. Property accessors failed with 60.7%. = The > target for acceptance is 66.6%. So 3.8% is enough to throw away, but = 5.9% > isn't? >=20 > I think the point of this discussion is that rules are rules for a = reason. > You can't be high and holy and deny one RFC judiciously, and then = hand-wave > and say the next RFC doesn't matter because the intention is there (or > whatever rationale is). >=20 > Either we stick to the rules, or we throw them out and install a BDFL. > Either way, I don't care. I just think the current > they-sometimes-matter-depending-on-who-and-when-it-is-raised stance is > deeper than BS, it's dangerous and is actively turning away = contributors > (as well as harming the project)=85 Hello Anthony, Good points. And the vague release/voting RFCs also contribute to this. And FWIW, I think PHP needs a BDFL, but we'll have to convince the one=20= potential candidate to agree. :) Regards, Philip