Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66548 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70420 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2013 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Mar 2013 21:58:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ircmaxell@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ircmaxell@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ircmaxell@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.177 mail-vc0-f177.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.177] ([209.85.220.177:40824] helo=mail-vc0-f177.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 78/FC-31723-87D09315 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:58:16 -0500 Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m18so552859vcm.8 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:58:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ykay5RfLdhxUqyaM7dzE5KyONtj4AEgwaodnB7dWMGc=; b=ClX956f6ItpHbq742vRIss1F/rGsFp/RTMOSHX4bU8EUqayCZy0ualau0ZuLBjVSad FkRXjir1o9Flhj5Y0/ViWCb4Vp29JKxpzzBAI28ImgmSEDvTqxSYhVxdtpgWRiXu1oXF Wn088NZy+0vH6fYf3lNQ/kIZ0FpyKtvsOfozixP0Jy30KLaju/mSYABsT7+sAm8XRBfJ YP3NfuU0hu6xZYJETNWXeEWoTpbI16Yyr3ZT3zSUpmzLAL/EUUxktqZ0tQn+sCrfKTXI 7ApJ9NVQKDbQTd7LqdM0+Q7VYCnAsGYdYF7iqV6G+ORmbUVIOOGUWB4vwuA7R6KPzjBl utIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.23.238 with SMTP id p14mr11847756vdf.86.1362693493870; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.56.137 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:58:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <435a322ccb14090d3bcf6bf8a110396d@mail.gmail.com> <8944597477930141639@unknownmsgid> <5138CBBC.8030409@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: Philip Olson Cc: David Soria Parra , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307c9fd6a4fea504d75ccd30 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara) --20cf307c9fd6a4fea504d75ccd30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Philip, Shouldn't we be focusing on how this makes PHP better? And not nitpick > about a percentage point or two? > Well, this passed with 62.8%. Property accessors failed with 60.7%. The target for acceptance is 66.6%. So 3.8% is enough to throw away, but 5.9% isn't? I think the point of this discussion is that rules are rules for a reason. You can't be high and holy and deny one RFC judiciously, and then hand-wave and say the next RFC doesn't matter because the intention is there (or whatever rationale is). Either we stick to the rules, or we throw them out and install a BDFL. Either way, I don't care. I just think the current they-sometimes-matter-depending-on-who-and-when-it-is-raised stance is deeper than BS, it's dangerous and is actively turning away contributors (as well as harming the project)... Anthony --20cf307c9fd6a4fea504d75ccd30--