Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66545 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65617 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2013 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Mar 2013 21:33:58 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 209.85.160.41 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.41 mail-pb0-f41.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.41] ([209.85.160.41:48417] helo=mail-pb0-f41.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 32/FB-31723-4C709315 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:33:57 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id um15so665864pbc.28 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=xmq8Yttgr8nDdTgIiFPz61QY5Ns5wpzeImpLwpc42LY=; b=S1ZU5F7a2FuciNkEnyq88gzPMGdE2tONKpiPt6x4jokCVQlRqIgKaz0m9d8oo13NqR tAS0AyqqV6gbm9QI2gG34P2lCOK8U+MEQA+Foi2XJWgxIxAHSjK14mlQ7sb7Qj5cr7Du BkO6EywScCOLvA+SLMsq7ZkJp++J+GKa1SH9yho76I7KNOuTsN9fd/b6a4iocJXU+jRf 8SA4uroQDTAGZkIdjC93tujEzKCQyfrRTeR7pB94zifE3nfaA0n6LIZaXpa6HwzO5lxO v1RVmK5IDhrf6F65z0K62S4Ombr89pAdUBepR5KQFhVuSWhvfucJQpYs4k1iX5GZ2fQ+ DQuw== X-Received: by 10.66.170.42 with SMTP id aj10mr491623pac.88.1362692033593; Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.106] (c-71-56-134-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [71.56.134.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ww9sm2901506pbc.41.2013.03.07.13.33.50 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:33:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:33:49 -0800 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: References: <435a322ccb14090d3bcf6bf8a110396d@mail.gmail.com> <8944597477930141639@unknownmsgid> <5138CBBC.8030409@lerdorf.com> To: David Soria Parra X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm1T50yIzVGuzpj5JRx8ovSgQ8Jv4dBHVydlJACwU9O+cTZg/OVi50o72Us89CGYSWvYif9 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) On Mar 7, 2013, at 1:00 PM, David Soria Parra wrote: > On 2013-03-07, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> On 03/07/2013 09:01 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote: >> >>> So my proposal is to slow down for a minute and not call this RFC >>> accepted or not until we can come to some consensus as to if it >>> classifies as a language change or not... Better to clarify for the >>> health of the project than to plow through and risk causing further >>> strife... >> >> And how do you propose we do that? Vote on it? Will that vote need 2/3 >> as well? I think most of us accepted that language-level changes meant >> syntax changes. Things that add new features to the language itself. > > I think the only thing requiring a 2/3 vote would be the decision on > wheather to enable it by default or not. As long as it's in ext/ > and not enabled a 50% should be sufficient. Shouldn't we be focusing on how this makes PHP better? And not nitpick about a percentage point or two? This makes PHP better. Please, PHP, add it to 5.5. Regards, Philip