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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:06:50 +0200
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To: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
Cc: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>, Laruence <laruence@php.net>, 
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

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Nikita,



The 1-2 month estimation, is taken from about 50cm behind the fingers
typing this email, aka my gut J.  It=E2=80=99s quite possible it=E2=80=99ll=
 take much less,
or no time at all;  But it=E2=80=99s possible that once we include it, a lo=
t more
people test it, and we=E2=80=99ll get some feedback/requests/bugs that requ=
ire
attention and additional RC=E2=80=99s =E2=80=93 that we would otherwise not=
 have.



Zeev



*From:* Nikita Popov [mailto:nikita.ppv@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:02 PM
*To:* Rasmus Lerdorf
*Cc:* Pierre Joye; Zeev Suraski; Laruence; PHP Developers Mailing List
*Subject:* Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP
distribution



On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wrote:

On 03/03/2013 12:43 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wrote=
:
>> The

>> first step towards integration is getting it in.
>
> That does not guarantee that further steps can be done, from a timely
manner.

There is never any such guarantee and the current results of the vote
clearly says that the majority of people are fine with a delayed 5.5
release.



"The majority" yes. The accessors proposal also had "the majority" in
favor, but that did not suffice. As of now this RFC does *not* have a 2/3
majority for the delay. And, as I already pointed out, I really think that
this RFC should go by a 2/3 vote, as it is both a very large change AND a
release delay.



But regardless of that, could somebody maybe point out where the "it may
require a 1-2 month delay" estimation in the RFC comes from? Somewhere
Rasmus said that the integration will not be tight and just a "30 minute
cleanup". I guess that was a bit exaggerated and may take a bit longer, but
in the same order of magnitude (like 3 hours instead of 30 minutes). By
that estimate the vote ends today and we can have ZO+ bundled in one or two
days. To let the change sink a bit, fix a few bugs that turn up and figure
out some questions like naming and default configuration one may need
another week, or maybe two. Then we should already be able to go for a beta
release. Everything else can be ironed out later (it's just a beta after
all and after that we have a good bit of time to fix issues that turn up).
Or did I miss something?

Nikita

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