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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP User Survey
From: preinheimer@gmail.com (Paul Reinheimer)

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Hi Everyone,

So I threw this idea out there, then I sat down and tried to come up with
questions I'd want answered. There's a bunch, those questions are easy.
Then I tried to focus my questions, I wanted questions that could possibly
affect or guide the development of PHP as a language. That got much harder.
Recognizing that much of how PHP advances is "scratch the itch" makes it
harder still.

Here I've got a few questions, as well as my thinking behind them:

(I think this question is useful to group responses, we might see radically
different responses from people deploying to a few servers versus hundreds)
How many servers do you deploy code to
1
2-5
5-20
20-100
100+

(I'm not sure how this should steer PHP, except possibly trying to devote
more resources to package maintainers if they're a large chunk of our user
base)
How do you install PHP on your production machines
 - Package (RPM, DEV)
 - Install from source
 - Executable from php.net (windows)

(I'm not sure how this answer steers PHP as a language, but it might be
useful for trends over time?)
What server do you use in production:
 - Apache
 - IIS
 - nginx

(How quickly are these new features being picked up in the language as a
whole)
Which of the following are you using today:
 - Namespaces
 - Closures
 - [other stuff]

(Where are people, also useful for grouping results)
What version of PHP are you using in Production
--

(what motivates people to upgrade?)
When do you upgrade to a new release of php e.g. 5.3 -> 5.4
 - As soon as released
 - wait for the x.1 release
 - Once our OpCode cache supports it
 - When previous version hits EOL
 - When a new feature warrants the upgrade
 - When my Framework (Zend/Symfony/cake) or Software (Wordpress, Gallery,
etc) requires it


(This, I think, is the biggest question in the survey)
Please rank the following in order of importance to you:
 - New language features
 - Language Speed
 - Language stability
 - Backwards compatibility between releases

(I think this is useful in terms of rating priorities. If everyone uses a
big framework, then we should temper their opinions against those of the
framework authors/maintainers)
Do you use any of the following frameworks (check all that apply)
 - Zend Framework
 - Symphony
 - Cake
 - Code Igniter
 - ...

(Can we convince people with C to help out in the language? Send just PHP
developers to work on tests? Documentation?)
What other languages do you know:
 - C
 - C++
 - Perl
 - Python
 - Ruby


I think you can see that I was challenged by a lot of the questions to
answer how it might affect the future of PHP. Some other questions to pull
apart classes of responses might be helpful (are you a: hosting provider,
development agency, deploying your own corporate code, etc.) but I'm really
having trouble coming up with good questions that I think could affect
things. Without those I'm not sure how useful the survey is to people on
this list.



paul




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote:

> Pierre Joye wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>  I was in a van with my son-in-law yesterday and we got around to
>>> discussing
>>> websites and the like. I run his sites, but HE uses Joomla, so although
>>> it's
>>> PHP he has no interest in the language as such as long as Joomla works.
>>> So
>>> this morning I though 'What ARE people using with PHP?" expecting to see
>>> a
>>> large chunk of the 90 odd % of websites actually using PHP to be using
>>> something to hide that, and got something of a surprise ...
>>> http://w3techs.com/**technologies/history_overview/**
>>> content_management/all<http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_management/all>
>>> makes interesting reading, and so while I was anticipating that a large
>>> chunk of users would be excluded from 'PHP' related questions, the
>>> reverse
>>> seems to be the truth?
>>>
>>
>> We have discussed that hundred of times in the past. However let me
>> try to compare with other mainstream products, in an understandable
>> way:
>>
>> a company A delivers materials to a cell manufacturer  > The
>> manufacturer sells ready to be used cells to end users. End users do
>> not care if the cell use a chip from Company A or B as long as it
>> works.
>>
>> the manufacturer reports needs&feedback to the company A, based on its
>> customers feedback and needs
>>
>> PHP is the company A, Joomla/Wordpress&co are the cell manufacturers.
>>
>
> But the point is that apart perhaps for Wordpress, the 'cell
> manufacturers' are possibly only a very small percentage of the PHP user
> base? The piece of information we are missing is the split of users between
> 'cell manufacturer' type users and those that are using PHP direct? What
> part of the 68% of people 'not using a cms system' are using some other
> 'cell manufacturer' and what part are just using PHP ... but even then,
> where a 'cell manufacturer' is no longer around, the end user needs help
> from PHP to port their website ... which is were a number of my own
> customers are trapped.
>
>
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