Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66374 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24211 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2013 22:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Feb 2013 22:00:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=streaky@mybrokenlogic.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=streaky@mybrokenlogic.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain mybrokenlogic.com designates 216.86.156.70 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: streaky@mybrokenlogic.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 216.86.156.70 server5.fused.com Windows 98 (1) Received: from [216.86.156.70] ([216.86.156.70:45738] helo=s5.fused.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 63/34-25879-D73DF215 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:00:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mybrokenlogic.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=6nX1t4Ik+OOAEAVNO5gvdKKv4OSqFFNT8ZYlR+1RyMo=; b=U3wmb7Fj2guDZLniLXxiH2jbODttCrrBP9d5J46MUcjt6rc3cqxnvDJTTU5HcpMAknUkjpM2RoHru9zmKivxa6/UuVY9VKvTTe0XjpHjhPQbn4ulIS2PbgJ4gur+6FwZ; Received: from apt.345live.com ([46.33.129.233]:62202 helo=[192.168.1.11]) by s5.fused.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UBBWc-000674-PE; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:00:26 -0600 Message-ID: <512FD37B.4060507@mybrokenlogic.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:00:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ilia Alshanetsky CC: Zeev Suraski , Pierre Joye , Ferenc Kovacs , Rasmus Lerdorf , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <435a322ccb14090d3bcf6bf8a110396d@mail.gmail.com> <512E7870.7010208@lerdorf.com> <0b8c20490dae9ecb9f9cd4a77cf47796@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s5.fused.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mybrokenlogic.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: s5.fused.com: authenticated_id: streaky@mybrokenlogic.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: streaky@mybrokenlogic.com (Martin Nicholls) On 28/02/2013 13:54, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > The major reason being is the lack of a stable, production ready op-code cache. Am I crazy or APC not stable != a lack of a stable opcode cache. Whole discussion thread has been assuming people don't use anything and or there's nothing better than both ZO *and* APC - both facts being patently untrue. I hate to get adversarial about this stuff, but PHP seems to be suffering with a serious case of Not Invented Here syndrome at the moment. Real world ZO isn't going to make people switch to PHP 5.5 and nothing but distro movement on this issue (around their release process) and good time are going to change that. It's always applied with PHP (and many other languages and projects) and it always will. Linux kernel is at 3.8.1 but Debian testing is shipping 3.2, because that's what the release process demands. Most sane people are going to use the PHP version their distro ships and most distros are going to ship what is tested, and not for nothing but bundling ZO if anything is going to gum up the works on that front because simply it's more code and features that will need testing and more config options to find sane defaults for. TL;DR - ZO isn't going to shift people.