Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66328 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11368 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2013 14:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Feb 2013 14:33:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=j.boggiano@seld.be; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=j.boggiano@seld.be; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain seld.be designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: j.boggiano@seld.be X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.52 mail-wg0-f52.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.52] ([74.125.82.52:51691] helo=mail-wg0-f52.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 98/00-10974-6AA6F215 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:33:12 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 12so1455828wgh.31 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:33:08 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=H+aKV4ml7xxBiVZXJ2VnaRItqBTZcUVRCER8eyYOTHY=; b=Z4RJ92dh9OAU5jBLuKnvt+f/0pR1hdZgIRZhsL/cN/FUwbdj6YqVm/vxeP7wiCibG5 mgNIXDDYGQUUmbk09EyZeMlBJyvQsX/L5eqkYMqnytcJEA22vFAGjYOM822RhbbvR6Hr J9N11Mu/z1ZiT22krbox2RHufkNzQckS2W66dW6MEEfjUa1TRboh6ka9aYQpJAhHVQxc 5hp7/g7Kka6DiWYduzqSS29XIaSWv19NcZiYVMCSSvMLRn9vwisyEzAn6cMRoG2czL+j GgOB71sSYd0/bxE4Pp7t816dXP/0T5xyvxok0z+AI3fRyhMbOqpKaIrjCJm86hnCs2FX y/QQ== X-Received: by 10.180.97.99 with SMTP id dz3mr10947367wib.8.1362061987874; Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.199.120] (77-57-188-154.dclient.hispeed.ch. [77.57.188.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ek4sm33734275wib.11.2013.02.28.06.33.06 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:33:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <512F6AA2.3000505@seld.be> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:33:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <435a322ccb14090d3bcf6bf8a110396d@mail.gmail.com> <512E7870.7010208@lerdorf.com> <0b8c20490dae9ecb9f9cd4a77cf47796@mail.gmail.com> <512F35B9.7020708@2e-systems.com> In-Reply-To: <512F35B9.7020708@2e-systems.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkoZ86udwLzm+3SfTIdKJnvlmj48F8OZ/O9s4MAuOkKtV+B4yOGzMWACIAZjtcq6OYPJXAT Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: j.boggiano@seld.be (Jordi Boggiano) On 28.02.2013 11:47, Frank Schenk wrote: > For our company stability and bug fixes are way more important (like > 10fold) than having fancy new features. I was asked, if we can switch to > 5.4.x but i refused, because it's a couple of days work for each project > to evaluate and migrate to 5.4.x I can see your point, but don't you think this is also an "old" mentality that might need to be adjusted? What I mean is that with the higher frequency of releases, and the more strict "no-BC breaks" guidelines (many thanks to Pierre and others for doing your best to enforce that btw..), upgrading becomes less dangerous since there are less minor changes. I personally can't remember having any issues with 5.4 except for 5.4.0 breaking some odd things in file_get_contents, but .0 releases are always too buggy to upgrade. I have also been developing with 5.5 for a while now and did not notice anything out of the ordinary. Cheers -- Jordi Boggiano @seldaek - http://nelm.io/jordi