Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66239 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 85567 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2013 12:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Feb 2013 12:25:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cpriest@zerocue.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cpriest@zerocue.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zerocue.com designates 67.200.53.250 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cpriest@zerocue.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.200.53.250 mail.zerocue.com Received: from [67.200.53.250] ([67.200.53.250:57964] helo=mail.zerocue.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8D/60-16132-2A9AC215 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:25:06 -0500 Received: from [172.17.0.122] (cpe-70-112-216-188.austin.res.rr.com [70.112.216.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.zerocue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D5271207FE; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:25:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <512CA997.9030207@zerocue.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:24:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Jones CC: Paul Reinheimer , "internals@lists.php.net" References: <5125339E.4050501@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <5125339E.4050501@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP User Survey From: cpriest@zerocue.com (Clint Priest) On 2/20/2013 2:35 PM, Christopher Jones wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > My thesis is the other way round. More people in the community need > to become PHP core developers. This is historically how PHP > development has occurred, since nobody has idle time to adopt projects > they are not 100% behind. > > Increasing user involvement is easier (and more often) said than done. > I'd prefer to see effort spent mentoring, rather than running surveys. > I've suggested this very thing in the past and even with a framework (albeit only in an email thread), I think a mentoring program of sorts would really benefit the core team. It could even be kept in small groups where 1 mentor dedicates to answer and/or find the answer for a group of 1 to 2 people who are keen on learning to help with the core. I would think that a separate mailing list for this type of mentorship would probably make sense, just to keep the chaffe off the internals list to a minimum. It would take some (at least 1) of the current core developers to step up and commit to helping. I ran into a lot of trouble learning what I know about the core and most of the tough question I had went unanswered for one reason or another, was quite infuriating at the time. > I do have a lot of reservations about a survey. But if you do run > one, I'm sure I'll look at the results. > -- -Clint