Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66136 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 77677 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2013 21:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Feb 2013 21:10:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.216.51 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.51 mail-qa0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.51] ([209.85.216.51:46389] helo=mail-qa0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 28/63-58335-E3D86215 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:10:23 -0500 Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id cr7so57279qab.3 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=C8l0U1Hb4HLmRQhMY+XZ8avE0xRZXCOmWcsEuqY3WF4=; b=CFlwKxNXl18uMF+9bE7FBs8E7LC2gQ5cIaouDTkLTMKRc50nU+V9OrXWTG1Re3j/qW H3d+6L9hIheRZ66LAG3lgBug0qDqrlJZPXUPUPV9VXyyTvJBFkZLxMwg8Zp5BSoDKPDP /X2CAccDBIDpjzK0inIiUgLQ+bMnDKxE8eR6T8llYdfyFEewqYjk6DAQ6JKe0C8f3yUU RNtXZAu9aFTtvCYfQ0SZ7lLTHzzm+H5k0i+kq3DCU6EYM5VGhJwv3g5tIfHbTwlyOsMH oOkITOaQ7jgma0qk8iK5krbFDrV0bn4RKCaFHZFG/E/0FkqWsBvxPrQyk0EaUq6Wlox7 s3Mg== X-Received: by 10.224.223.80 with SMTP id ij16mr151564qab.8.1361481020181; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.200.148] (c-50-131-44-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [50.131.44.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hr1sm33845625qeb.3.2013.02.21.13.10.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:10:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <51268D38.70403@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:10:16 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9oYW5uZXMgU2NobMO8dGVy?= CC: Marco Pivetta , Pierre Joye , Zeev Suraski , Lars Strojny , Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <678597E6-E3A8-42E0-8DFC-F8382C9DFB41@strojny.net> <8d4e991084a1313844910ec0168eacdf@mail.gmail.com> <51263D89.5040308@lerdorf.com> <1361462685.2355.132.camel@guybrush> <1361480654.2355.167.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1361480654.2355.167.camel@guybrush> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmY8eSWmXNHpu0EylKvXw+YzWFOGOFJP5hVS9sfXl8+PkSGYBrMY9wiFzGPE3Qg/OaZaB7K Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd) From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 02/21/2013 01:04 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 17:06 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote: >> On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter wrote: >> >>> The quoted business decision was "We want something stable and fast", an >>> emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new ones. This sounds sane to me. > >> Doesn't exclude new features then: so what is this all about? > > * We have limited development resources > * Developers can either fix bugs and tune code or add features > * All new features go through different rounds of fixing newly > introduced bugs > * All new features increase the amount of things to maintain > long-term > > I'm not against new features, but sometimes I wonder about the focus. Traits is a good example of that. We, and by we I mean Dmitry, are still fixing problems with Traits and we are closing in on 5 years after the initial proposal in 2008. And Traits is sort of middle of the road in terms of complexity. We have had more complex things proposed and we still only have one Dmitry. -Rasmus