Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66090 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60453 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2013 07:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Feb 2013 07:14:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.182 mail-lb0-f182.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.182] ([209.85.217.182:64819] helo=mail-lb0-f182.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DD/B8-03224-A59C5215 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:14:36 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg6so6612092lbb.27 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:14:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=g2o0LCDLgvreDfS37lEAmOJ8ybRf/nTWNIVnNFjo2/A=; b=FbWbBcyW9jM0L6L4/CKLxJa70ol1IcuiYSlLArSfXQu5mII5GxGbIurArOsUlaogFw xka/Lad1D3IwKiRN2ZKoHhRP0zfdy5CJ4btsMtRAP7eq3+azztpDtbuD21Hyiqimwv2g z8h6aySGq39fNojMbKci0it7yzjnV9w1Ex5utBXLJ1CECV5C3qL88eS2NRnrhTpcb1Ve mHLdQEqner7lf1EsPXxsiurtIaeyhokdi/05pN//6FtZpuDSQ1lghnhdwflb1RwkEcV1 KDY5US/DELbbenhJtVDnDsQeVnbL4JKJV3vm/sSxdVB+DC4xFcE2ayMVm1SgOi3UtDge Foxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.9.10 with SMTP id v10mr980803lba.47.1361430871775; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.38.199 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.38.199 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:14:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5125339E.4050501@oracle.com> References: <5125339E.4050501@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:14:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: Christopher Jones Cc: PHP internals , Paul Reinheimer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efa6e6c7f988c04d636d393 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP User Survey From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) --e0cb4efa6e6c7f988c04d636d393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Chris, On Feb 20, 2013 9:36 PM, "Christopher Jones" wrote: > > My thesis is the other way round. More people in the community need > to become PHP core developers. This is historically how PHP > development has occurred, since nobody has idle time to adopt projects > they are not 100% behind. We have more new active contributors than ever before. Actually the top 5 contributors are here for less than a couple of years or even less than one. > Increasing user involvement is easier (and more often) said than done. > I'd prefer to see effort spent mentoring, rather than running surveys. Having our user at large express their needs or opinion is about contributing. It is actually the very first step to contribution. > I do have a lot of reservations about a survey. But if you do run > one, I'm sure I'll look at the results. I do not have a single doubt. Why? Surveys are one of many ways to get feedback. They have no contracting values but give us some numbers about one rfc or another. That may help us to focus on one feature instead of another if we see a large number of users looking forward to it. Cheers, --e0cb4efa6e6c7f988c04d636d393--