Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66078 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 96222 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2013 20:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Feb 2013 20:35:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christopher.jones@oracle.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christopher.jones@oracle.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain oracle.com designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christopher.jones@oracle.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 156.151.31.81 userp1040.oracle.com Received: from [156.151.31.81] ([156.151.31.81:51762] helo=userp1040.oracle.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 99/12-20257-7A335215 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:35:52 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r1KKZikE014318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:35:45 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1KKZhkr028482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:35:44 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r1KKZhQ5019559; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:35:43 -0600 Received: from [130.35.70.82] (/130.35.70.82) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:35:43 -0800 Message-ID: <5125339E.4050501@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:35:42 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Reinheimer CC: "internals@lists.php.net" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP User Survey From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones) On 02/20/2013 12:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer wrote: > Hi All, > > My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief. > > In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what > the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today: > > "I would also say it us time for us to get back in sync with the > communities needs. I am not talking about the last days RFCs but in > general." Hi Paul, My thesis is the other way round. More people in the community need to become PHP core developers. This is historically how PHP development has occurred, since nobody has idle time to adopt projects they are not 100% behind. Increasing user involvement is easier (and more often) said than done. I'd prefer to see effort spent mentoring, rather than running surveys. I do have a lot of reservations about a survey. But if you do run one, I'm sure I'll look at the results. Chris -- christopher.jones@oracle.com http://twitter.com/ghrd Newly updated, free PHP & Oracle book: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/php/underground-php-oracle-manual-098250.html