Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:66073 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87555 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2013 20:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Feb 2013 20:00:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=preinheimer@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=preinheimer@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.210.49 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: preinheimer@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.49 mail-da0-f49.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.49] ([209.85.210.49:32794] helo=mail-da0-f49.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2A/50-20257-C5B25215 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:00:29 -0500 Received: by mail-da0-f49.google.com with SMTP id t11so3671088daj.22 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:00:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=M2c8O1WvA2XYgMLkB/Gv/hp8Plvvdx1JOv+Xvhd4ooo=; b=yTekbRE8/76J/E0VG4wWUzK2AdQGzLGsp2lkcF4a4Ku7+7z2Zsn93dHZPGRvqDrIA2 ijagglxCr6lLbtc9ebe8wOl5nBu5z/YdsvQGsfmAmeJVF7CCFsNa3j8cBrg0U+Gsq0uO S5gLbQJl2BDnWD5A6kZBLv8XOZYwEfcsaf0XBfl6dUZXKoS//o8cZA7lvz7MMw+HlLWI 15kh6r8gr3ESF3/UH+AENZx4SdwNCLmU/HOKEJ8ZYqXYjD3CGkvOjL46Svh800Lz2sdW oW9gfnz/E9HTcWP1Rw58w/qhG3o4cwsOBz/yGq0R6nvAW5D1IkSxi6qt2ll5mkPZRask 2diQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.240.103 with SMTP id vz7mr50250864pbc.112.1361390425705; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.21.99 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:00:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b339c2db98dfb04d62d6831 Subject: PHP User Survey From: preinheimer@gmail.com (Paul Reinheimer) --047d7b339c2db98dfb04d62d6831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief. In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about what the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today: "I would also say it us time for us to get back in sync with the communities needs. I am not talking about the last days RFCs but in general." The other point that comes up is the difficulty in reaching a large portion of the community. They don't come to conferences, they don't sit on this list, they don't go to user groups. They work with PHP for months or years, but the rest of the "community" doesn't even know who they are. I believe Rasmus has mentioned this on a few occasions. So my suggestion is simple, let's ask them: What they want, What they need, how they installed PHP (source, rpm, deb, provided by hosting provider, Zend Server), etc. Let's create a survey, and link to it prominently on php.net. I considered just writing a survey myself, but even if everyone I knew tweeted it I'd still lack the reach to hit those outside the traditional community. While this is clearly not a suggestion to change PHP, i'll write this up in RFC format if there's interest. Should give people an opportunity to discuss questions and such. thanks for your time paul -- Paul Reinheimer --047d7b339c2db98dfb04d62d6831--