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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:15:40 +0000 (GMT)
Reply-To: hakre <hanskrentel@yahoo.de>
To: Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>,
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal for serious BC compatibility aka language versioning
From: hanskrentel@yahoo.de (hakre)

=0A=0A----- Urspr=FCngliche Message -----=0A=0A> Von: Lester Caine <lester@=
lsces.co.uk>=0A> An: "internals@lists.php.net" <internals@lists.php.net>=0A=
> CC: =0A> Gesendet: 13:42 Dienstag, 5.Februar 2013=0A> Betreff: Re: [PHP-D=
EV] Proposal for serious BC compatibility aka language versioning=0A> =0A> =
hakre wrote:=0A>>>  In reality we have to make choices where we DO spend ti=
me. There is =0A> still a mile=0A>>>  >of code out there being used live wh=
ich is running perfectly on the =0A> PHP5.2=0A>>>  >infrastructure. That ne=
eds testing and reworking on PHP5.3 and then =0A> PHP5.4=0A>>>  >before we =
get around to 5.5.=0A>>  Why do you change the infrastructure if the code d=
oes not need it? I mean, =0A>> provide the infrastructure the code needs an=
d done. There is more than one =0A>> vendor that offers support for PHP 5.2=
 infrastructure in the market. What's =0A>> the deal?=0A> =0A> The point he=
re is supporting customers that I've 'acquired' who are =0A> currently host=
ed on services that control that infrastructure. The long term aim =0A> is =
to move them to servers under our control, but in the meantime until =0A> c=
ontracts run out we have to live with such activity as 'We will be updating=
 =0A> to PHP5.3 on the 1st April'. The problem now is how to deal with that=
 =0A> situation, and paying up outstanding contracts may be the solution. T=
he code =0A> needs updating, and updating to 5.4 would be useful, but short=
 term everything =0A> needs testing and fixing for PHP5.3 :(=0A=0AThis migh=
t be starting to become slightly off-topic for the list, but what prevents =
you from communicating the problem to your customers and also offering them=
 the help they need?=0A=0A> The whole reason that ISP's are currently movin=
g from PHP5.2 to PHP5.3 =0A> rather than PHP5.4 is that there is a better c=
hance that their client sites will =0A> continue to work.=0A=0AI can not sa=
y that for the ISPs I use and I've been talking to. For the handmade ones i=
t's more what their distro offers, for the commercially professional ones i=
t's more what their users ask for.=0A=0A> http://w3techs.com/technologies/h=
istory_details/pl-php/5 use of PHP5.1 is =0A> slowing faster than 5.4 use i=
s growing.=0A=0AI must admit I lack of skill reading statistics, however, I=
 don't understand why you talk about PHP 5.1 while your problem is that som=
e contracted services of your customers is changing to PHP 5.3 from 5.2.=0A=
=0AIf you need a helping hand in porting legacy 5.2 code to 5.3, feel free =
to contact me.=0A=0A=0A-- hakre