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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ZTS - why are you using it?
From: bas@tobin.nl (Bas van Beek)


Op 30 jan. 2013, om 13:42 heeft Zeev Suraski het volgende geschreven:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bas van Beek [mailto:bas@tobin.nl]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:29 PM
>> To: Zeev Suraski
>> Cc: Pierre Joye; Stas Malyshev; PHP internals
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ZTS - why are you using it?
>>=20
>> Hi Guys,
>>=20
>> As a heavy user of ZTS in multi threaded C/C++ applications, here are =
my
> $0.02.
>>=20
>> Removing ZTS would be a bad idea for all those custom multi-threaded
>> applications out there that allow some form of internal/embedded PHP
>> scripting. These applications are not web-servers but do make use of
> threads for
>> reasons of their own. Building a FastCGI set-up would be out of the
> question if
>> these apps are deployed customer / client side and need concurrent =
PHP
> script
>> runs.
>>=20
>>> Based on the feedback on this thread, I think we should instruct =
users
>>> that using thread-safe versions of PHP is slower, and that actually
>>> putting thread-safe PHP inside a multithreaded server is not a very
>>> reliable solution.  We should recommend FastCGI/fpm instead.  We
>>> should do that tomorrow morning (figuratively speaking).
>=20
> In case I wasn't sufficiently clear, I'm talking about putting PHP =
inside
> a *multithreaded web server*, not being a good idea.  The use case you
> specify is exactly the use case for keeping ZTS support in the code...
>=20
> Zeev
>=20
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Yes I did get that and my response to your post was not meant as an =
argument against those points but more as an addition. I just wanted to =
re-enforce that ZTS has it's purpose and we should be careful about =
which signals we give to the PHP user-land and extension developer =
community as most of the previous posts to this thread seemed to discard =
usefulness of ZTS all together as if the only important use case is =
running PHP code on a web server. PHP is so much more than that and I do =
not want to see PHP developers exclude or forget about these other use =
cases because prominent people in the PHP community make blunt =
statements as the above topic implies.

Bas van Beek