Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:65441 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64194 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2013 22:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 22:00:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=larry@garfieldtech.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=larry@garfieldtech.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain garfieldtech.com from 66.111.4.29 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: larry@garfieldtech.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.111.4.29 out5-smtp.messagingengine.com Received: from [66.111.4.29] ([66.111.4.29:34113] helo=out5-smtp.messagingengine.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 51/8F-10721-B9648015 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:00:59 -0500 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C39A2070F for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:00:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=gLUs6kL7Gx+tcFojiMaVn/ kgPEc=; b=GAgFU2CqCANSIUaoP27jPzj79b1mK6cEonJsfxAQwKeqcM01NHcir5 jlwylgIlYQj25R8XEU/lw+BuVUAdnVq2mYGedhqkh4Rcp6Rsc59nVwBIOBFzsnZE RfPIO17StEzXO6L/PmUjLFzSncBOHCr6ENl07M7FC2P5RPdsadT3Q= X-Sasl-enc: F5+uNRUfqk+u6iFIiiy1NZZFWoCqAytkkh/WBjEzVBji 1359496856 Received: from Palantirs-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [209.41.114.202]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D07068E07CD for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:00:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51084698.5040507@garfieldtech.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:00:56 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <5d21b42656d49b4a71d9f808541bd745@mail.gmail.com> <51078485.30107@rotorised.com> <11e1ccc6eca996d9d94ae9a3bff0bbab@mail.gmail.com> <51078956.1050806@hoa-project.net> <51078DA6.4040706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) On 1/29/13 3:47 AM, Martin Keckeis wrote: > From the perspective of the end-user this would be really great! > If it could really be done in 2 months -> wait for it. > > best regards. Considering the importance of opcode caches to any serious project these days, I'd say a 2 month delay to get an integrated opcode cache working on release day is absolutely worth it. I cannot speak to the relative merits of APC vs. O+, or how reasonable that timeframe is, but if it is an accurate estimate then from a userland perspective it would be a good investment. (The "optimize for APC" vs. "optimize for shared host with no APC" debate comes up in Drupal on a regular basis; being able to count on one would allow us to optimize our own code far better.) I entirely appreciate Anthony's concern about rule bending, but I think this is a "feature request" at a level that such bending can be considered. --Larry Garfield