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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:54:44 +0200
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To: Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kalle.php@gmail.com [mailto:kalle.php@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Kalle
> Sommer Nielsen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:45 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP
> distribution
>
> 2013/1/29 Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>:
> > The RFC explains the pros and cons of doing that, I don't really have
> > any additional reasons to add beyond what I already put there.  I
> > believe the pros outweigh the cons by a good considerable margin, but
> > that's what the vote would be about.  Perhaps the one thing worth
> > adding is that the people who worked on Optimizer+ are all major
> > php.net contributors, including Dmitry, Stas, Andi and myself - it's
not some
> alien artifact.
>
> I don't doubt any of your abilities, what I do doubt is that how we can
consider
> an outside project directly into the core. APC would without a doubt be
up to
> pair if there was more people willingly to dwell into it (yes dwell as
many people
> see it as an alien artifact because it touches and modifies some
"unusual" things
> that the average extension developer don't).

I wasn't talking about our abilities, but about our 'outsideness'.  Yes,
it is/was a closed source component, but it's by the same people that have
written a huge deal of PHP's scripting engine.

I'd would of course prefer that we evaluate the proposal based on the
substance and not on other factors, but that said, I fully respect your
position and wouldn't hold it against you if you vote 'no'...

Zeev