Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:65356 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15696 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2013 11:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Jan 2013 11:30:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ircmaxell@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ircmaxell@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ircmaxell@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.45 mail-vb0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.45] ([209.85.212.45:63921] helo=mail-vb0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2F/01-10721-3E2B7015 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:30:43 -0500 Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p1so188537vbi.18 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:30:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=S87oxmQQIEiOaAkDjIXtqUpcy6Mx2a5XXTwjAjsu7RU=; b=upKQfjy7Ae6ZMhCTPgCiTDmx7No6u2PRuyjCZzqZ+UGlh+7FQZI+NMbj4xfjOmOx0c 3BYR0XeVhdQmvSZZ7oiENzdN0itPoMdeu9Il/81VfghVtexiUQieSlK2oQV6lwQQDz5Z TYVZYu031nMVwLFPzn906KoL7s9OHr2Hgv5n9MjgU0tR4wT20vLFjOO/EFv+2KRrr9CH wbnNi03tJbqV82Uma7evbDRUdpYsqLb+NCCxN1oOWjvDsCTIOZBd5uhOGCK9eEqw43KK b/1JKBnyAcPOZpnzE+Wvd/8iETvonXOBRURg40G09/MgeDePvxx9LTkh4XXKIIQvNoDZ 5ryg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.68.4 with SMTP id r4mr507788vdt.15.1359458607986; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.56.137 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:23:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <252ADB1A-2660-4A45-B859-B92DA2C8B8D8@gmail.com> References: <5d21b42656d49b4a71d9f808541bd745@mail.gmail.com> <252ADB1A-2660-4A45-B859-B92DA2C8B8D8@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tyler Sommer Cc: Zeev Suraski , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50166ad6a788d04d46b9f40 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integrating Zend Optimizer+ into the PHP distribution From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara) --bcaec50166ad6a788d04d46b9f40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Zeev, First off, very nice job on the RFC. I definitely like what's happening here. As far as delaying 5.5, I have mixed feelings. I think we should definitely consider the delay, but only in a time-boxed format. So if we say "1 month", then if it's not ready to be committed in that month, it doesn't get in and we release 5.5 anyway. I don't think we should do an indefinite (not hard-defined) delay, as we could wind up in a situation similar to 6, where for some reason we wind up delayed for 6 months or worse. I'm not saying I think it'll happen, but we should be careful to limit it. In addition, I would suggest putting in a feature freeze for everything except this feature as well. Not because we shouldn't have new features, but to prevent another "everyone wants this, so let's delay some more" feature 1 week before the timebox expires. Additionally, I don't like the precedent that this sets for future releases. That it's ok to break the timebox for some feature. In this case I think we can justify it, but future cases may use this to justify waiting when it's not completely justified in itself. I'm not sure how we can rectify this concern, but I figured it was worth mentioning. Anthony On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Tyler Sommer wrote: > This is really exciting! > > As a user, I say allow a delay to get this into 5.5. I was kind of > disappointed that some cache wasn't bundled with 5.4. It's been too long > that this very important piece has been separate from the core. > > > Cheers > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --bcaec50166ad6a788d04d46b9f40--