Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:65309 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14437 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2013 23:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 23:14:10 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=arraypad@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=arraypad@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: arraypad@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.174 mail-lb0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.174] ([209.85.217.174:37276] helo=mail-lb0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 98/50-28517-04607015 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:14:09 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id l12so4656559lbo.19 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:14:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zrBw7LNMkF9AAeCFn020stR0TLMhQeAlIdD4TKBNpvM=; b=qNBq0Cqj9PhJbqU3ARbd544uMzsjkQ/OU/IKigGRGAQ4Kjlpr60MH1Rr48ojr45Spr tviPSDhtGyvGQCEorR/zjbVx/jgUHrjY1zH9iyFDIK+CM14nZoq4Q3X+M6h/lkeMmAPf DDrboWaFFTJiGeQM5CWn3bu+rQBiEEWX1fBkOvQgcCUReVVZcS3Z70O4rWZ5qtB9ys/x Zpx/Dc8YTXRXwxpa7bP1ZVgJApvApCERDx1ofKGZlIDvLo8I77X7EsyBu5KAR0BhTqpo ztDbZmipYA9os4XgUoeunuQDrSfpxFi0kFFx2EWPNkQLCKMQZO7Qrdb59jXuWR5Ywk8I 2bOg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.44.134 with SMTP id e6mr6249346lbm.134.1359414846044; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.75.196 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:14:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8443b1f0eaec6316a3e5791c097d5c49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:14:05 +0000 Message-ID: To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Patrick ALLAERT , Zeev Suraski , Anthony Ferrara , PHP Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d29a003bf404d4616f2d Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Purpose of voting From: arraypad@gmail.com (Arpad Ray) --bcaec554d29a003bf404d4616f2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Patrick ALLAERT >wrote: > > It's perfectly valid to accept an RFC and comment on the > > implementation on what should be improved or what sucks in it. > > > > If one is voting "no" mostly because of the implementation, then I > > would say that there is a lack of information in the voting process > > when saying "no". (No why... ?) > > > > voting no based on the implementation would be that bad if the more voters > could participate in the discussion phase, as that is where those problems > should be laid out and addressed. > as Client also said, knowing why a person voted no is much easier to bear > for the author even if he doesn't agree with those. > > In this particular case, a lot of people felt that the concept itself was undesirable. Particularly memorable was the crass flaming of Stas. Also I think the approach of defining specifics while the general concept was under question, was misguided to say the least. Feedback was ignored or forewarned because it didn't fit in the narrow cast you provided. People voting "no" based on the implementation were the least of your worries. Arpad --bcaec554d29a003bf404d4616f2d--