Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:65295 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86496 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2013 19:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 19:50:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com does not designate 209.85.219.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.219.51 mail-oa0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.219.51] ([209.85.219.51:50356] helo=mail-oa0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B8/6B-28517-186D6015 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:50:25 -0500 Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id n12so3222567oag.10 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:50:23 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-mailer :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=d2J5VIP+NS/Y3faO0Z/wPi/Ohr10pyQppzmFqR9L6o0=; b=pR3M1MB+A/elBCD4bc1hwY126TU42JJV3NMvmDeXlsNNduX/DHl4yLkTkStMlxGdaF Lyic0QxFKgHgm5P93AnkH8jAW/BYDcpFP/WYLFVyXwnWBqK2l5DCwymYxxdo/gQv0GEa tmyLOpmXH4+S6uA/R/VHrSFJiJK4wheHITWawXwWYwy8w/mrzON+HOxK6IGnMkHEOdJ1 CKF7wu+ZYe5qjTZ6XbS3pCLxTR0pt7VQ420rEqLezBYWI25FTrRH2aEABl0aA6Qt4Obu AL5DFqh2InRZ6UoGrBgSG+GlzZ7RG1U7I9iJbdk/JfqjUvRkz//eVPGEa5xmA25KjeNr 4epw== X-Received: by 10.60.12.99 with SMTP id x3mr12591938oeb.71.1359402623058; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:50:23 -0800 (PST) References: <76a9565b2a095a72063a68f106a6b457@mail.gmail.com> <5ed6711b24349c82b7c17dd450ff7c80@mail.gmail.com> <7165e8331e1070234771f7ae9573cdf8@mail.gmail.com> <5106690E.6040908@zerocue.com> <510679E0.1050603@zerocue.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQItj407fvbyyHusXdfq7WqB3TBWzwH/50DcAYH7XhQC750pEQD+3ruMAeryfbICLrX/awIfS0cRAPMPRCUBIQIYqZciFTVA Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:50:14 +0200 Message-ID: To: Matthew Leverton Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmyC1y0Bt/POmDM/+vwCQe4nwA2y5afmE3Fz0yblAhtYX4AuBZNFdjKoFIVFxGo83/T/hRTCswwOGIks02H8nVhIcxySpdxHQbPFdffsrytjmoQLZKLetKTA60IrrEg6YdkLMJH Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Voting periods From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > Can we stop calling things "new shiny features" as if that means anything? It's > empty rhetoric. When you treat your users like unintelligent noobies who are > just going to hang themselves when you give them a rope, then that's the type > of users you will end up with. If it doesn't mean anything, why does it bother you? You don't need to be dumb to appreciate simplicity, and you can be very intelligent and still appreciate complexity. The people behind J2EE were all exceptionally smart. PHP has become the most popular Web language in existence WITHOUT these features. Most users couldn't care less about them. They're happy without them. They're happ*ier* without them. They'd rather a faster PHP that did exactly the same thing it does today - and not a slower one with more features that's more difficult to learn and debug. The whole concept of 'WE MUST ADD THIS TO PHP OR ELSE' is ludicrous in my opinion. PHP is doing well, and many of the people who opposed this RFC are responsible for steering it that way. Zeev