Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:65244 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 99604 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2013 13:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 13:15:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cpriest@zerocue.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cpriest@zerocue.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zerocue.com designates 67.200.53.250 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cpriest@zerocue.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.200.53.250 mail.zerocue.com Received: from [67.200.53.250] ([67.200.53.250:53971] helo=mail.zerocue.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4A/C9-28517-AE976015 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:15:22 -0500 Received: from [172.17.0.122] (unknown [70.112.216.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.zerocue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B203912037B; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <510679E0.1050603@zerocue.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:15:12 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Cowburn CC: Zeev Suraski , Pierre Joye , PHP internals References: <76a9565b2a095a72063a68f106a6b457@mail.gmail.com> <5ed6711b24349c82b7c17dd450ff7c80@mail.gmail.com> <7165e8331e1070234771f7ae9573cdf8@mail.gmail.com> <5106690E.6040908@zerocue.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting periods From: cpriest@zerocue.com (Clint Priest) On 1/28/2013 6:12 AM, Peter Cowburn wrote: > On 28 January 2013 12:03, Clint Priest wrote: >> If you're still worried about this making it in, don't worry. Nikita and I >> have given up, to the determinant of the community. >> > Then please close the voting. Since there is no "maximum voting period" and 5.5 is not in a feature freeze yet, I left the voting open, in case some people decided to read the patch and change their minds. I see no reason to close the vote unless I'm required to do so or the game is up. I share Pierre's sentiment that this vote is pretty ridiculous. People have been asking for this feature (present in every other modern language) for 5+ years. I spent two years going through the *tedious* RFC discussion process, wrote the software, Nikita made it even better to have it shot down without even reasonable explanations as to why "from most people." Some people gave good explanations (Sherif Ramadan) even if I don't agree with them. Very few others did and it really leaves us/me with no direction to go. No reason for the rejection ergo no way to "improve this, or improve that." Some are resting on the idea that the ROI isn't there just aren't listening to the community. I'd love nothing more than to have this proposal accepted, and perhaps I will give it another go in the future. I figured at the very least I should contribute in other ways to PHP so that I eliminate the "big RFC from a new developer" aspect of the situation, which I think ultimately was the deciding factor. -Clint > -- -Clint