Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64861 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25595 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 12:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 12:56:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=sam.e.giles@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=sam.e.giles@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: sam.e.giles@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.48 mail-la0-f48.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.48] ([209.85.215.48:62188] helo=mail-la0-f48.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 66/61-11723-EFB00F05 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:56:31 -0500 Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ej20so1742230lab.35 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:56:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+CQ7bB+ZMWtwwBSIofTCRradzwl23sMRvoGnYtF2p28=; b=PIG3esjxuU2Z5kJyF7eUNYJJsTkogk1M9ejJuNZHUAH2Vd4CCpb7eKw9Yraasx8b+/ gxZxSZf0WdvnOCqgCtCo9aVXZBzxi8AmdYyMF7pDfAfuxdo3KlKOHTwy0XahKQ+9qIYH 8Py45fyKeAQ5NUG2pQd9r3toI3JRKCgjS4TgSjwyvNK3QmeIgdVxTM3gYgpKCp3pxPa2 dqEYS8Dne0F8bZloy/+0LaXhJlZZfBl730CoDBDnBBTE6s6GtVBB4Unnftj4+a/LbEnc NV1N8z1BvjNXF9399ZgmuHtRLVnOD69jDvVvpTjgHW1ekLW87brfXWClfPagKkWzNR4k Xt2g== X-Received: by 10.152.147.36 with SMTP id th4mr66458850lab.44.1357908987459; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sams-MacBook-Pro.local (174.155.238.178.in-addr.arpa. [178.238.155.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id er8sm2095105lbb.9.2013.01.11.04.56.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:56:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F00BF8.9050306@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:56:24 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dukeofgaming CC: "internals@lists.php.net" References: <50EDBEA5.1050201@sugarcrm.com> <50EE5DAF.2080901@sugarcrm.com> <50EF2195.3080907@sugarcrm.com> <50EF49AF.9050801@b1-systems.de> <48412E0A-3FCC-440D-8479-39B666EB7213@gmail.com> <50EFC482.6020801@b1-systems.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision From: sam.e.giles@gmail.com (Samuel Giles) On 11/01/2013 09:14, dukeofgaming wrote: >>> Finally, I remember the lack of support for development has been a >>> problem... so why not call out for support to the community?, from GSoC >> to >>> PHP gurus litterate on Comp Sci and software engineering and >> architecture? >> >> I think this has been done before and most who stay and contribute over >> time have come here by their own means. >> > By the way, even if it is not to work on a particular features, maybe call > for more help on maintenance? +1. I agree, I really think that if PHP had a clear vision it would attract scientists and engineers. I know C, I rarely get time to do much open source these days, however, if I was excited by a clear and exciting road map I'd be more inclined to make time for PHP rather than attempt to get to grips with things like WebKit internals, which seem much more appealing and certainly have a clear and exciting future. Contributing to PHP internals does not look totally appealing at this point and kudos to those that give up their time to do so. Sam