Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64855 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4002 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2013 09:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2013 09:14:51 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=dukeofgaming@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=dukeofgaming@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: dukeofgaming@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.176 mail-ie0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.176] ([209.85.223.176:53732] helo=mail-ie0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 49/29-02684-708DFE05 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:14:48 -0500 Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 13so2015745iea.35 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:14:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=5vWl8yHLDvW//u5emJOS0yG8rnCEeLqcoBWMrfDrWH0=; b=ZIR22f3rn4scACMTAXcVXIQ3kC7nly9knrqoNdIXXLQHLtWl5AVZ4Ug7ZqDfiC/oaI B/G+AW0q+ZRUwX1AzXz6G3GSIWUr9+sRRnz7ATMwpkLGXYxt5V9Mz2pyVLRGhoXca6oD hitzOFsZvrvrsPEjINZruncjDnu9DFRRYK6ynjhUZOKj6eG+a8+kXwgmrCH+zsWkdvfM TpaLWt6UuLSI9rvr2X70qILfJXzTynZxts3PnBKeXl10ARqddMNigoK4H15Bar1FWDgt YfFDM+i3Noa5AfwxWU4zrLQq3pwZ7R0UadiBCFMq3cmTh79l+qFQh34hLnOK0arvxLlp dP9Q== X-Received: by 10.50.33.212 with SMTP id t20mr8563714igi.108.1357895685242; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:14:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.225 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:14:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50EFC482.6020801@b1-systems.de> References: <50EDBEA5.1050201@sugarcrm.com> <50EE5DAF.2080901@sugarcrm.com> <50EF2195.3080907@sugarcrm.com> <50EF49AF.9050801@b1-systems.de> <48412E0A-3FCC-440D-8479-39B666EB7213@gmail.com> <50EFC482.6020801@b1-systems.de> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:14:24 -0600 Message-ID: To: Ralf Lang Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f420f600b804d2ffb9ed Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision From: dukeofgaming@gmail.com (dukeofgaming) --f46d0447f420f600b804d2ffb9ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Ralf Lang wrote: > Am 11.01.2013 05:55, schrieb dukeofgaming: > > I have a question, maybe it is dumb: why not those opposed to using > > annotations just... refrain from using them? > > > > Although I am not the least against annotations, there are valid and > good technical reasons why one does not want to have a feature in the > language. > > As Rasmus said, the code for annotations also needs to interface with > opcode caches and other core and close-to-core technologies. This will > require additional development and maint. time/manpower. This is a > finite resource, there is a tradeoff between expensive new language > features like annotations and other stuff which needs to be done. You > can probably not have both at the same time. > I understand, those arguments make sense. Wouldn't it be good to just document these sort of blockers in the RFC without rejecting the proposal?, who knows, someone can come and have a solution for each one of these in one form or other. > > > Finally, I remember the lack of support for development has been a > > problem... so why not call out for support to the community?, from GSoC > to > > PHP gurus litterate on Comp Sci and software engineering and > architecture? > > I think this has been done before and most who stay and contribute over > time have come here by their own means. > By the way, even if it is not to work on a particular features, maybe call for more help on maintenance? > > -- > Ralf Lang > Linux Consultant / Developer > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --f46d0447f420f600b804d2ffb9ed--