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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:13:14 -0600
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A remark about PHP's Vision and new things.
From: dukeofgaming@gmail.com (dukeofgaming)

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Hi,

I suggest you start defining action items in the RFC. After reading what
Stas and others say, this looks like too big a task to discuss in itself,
so it should be definitely be broken down.

You will probably find that as it is broken down, actual development
support will surface by itself.

Regards,

David


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:49 PM, guilhermeblanco@gmail.com <
guilhermeblanco@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stas,
>
> I totally agree and Pierrick and I faced all these problems during the
> creation of patch.
> If PHP doesn't all have support required for a given feature, let's just
> not only discuss feature, but also the required support too. Named
> parameters is a great example. I'd also name another one,
> ReflectionNamespace; namespaces are converted to strings and attached to
> their classes during compile time and you can never reflect over them to
> grab for example their names.
> I even mentioned to Andi back in 2010 that ZE gets re-written every 5
> years. That happened in 2000, 2005 and we're now hitting walls because of
> "monster" changes required to implement feature A or B. Maybe it's time to
> consider a rewrite again?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > > I strongly suggest to anyone following the (too many) threads about
> > > annotations to try the C# annotation and see what it allows. It goes
> >
> > As far as I can see, C# annotations rely on two very important things:
> > 1. Compiler support. Compiler really knows a lot about what annotations
> do.
> > 2. Extensive library support. Annotations themselves are just passive
> > metadata, what makes them work is .net framework that uses them.
> >
> > This means to make annotations as useful in PHP we would have to have
> > substantial support in the engine (including bytecode caching
> > provisions, etc.) and some libraries that require very
> > latest-and-greatest version of PHP.
> >
> > Another thing is that we're not having some features that are used
> > extensively in C# annotations, main being named parameters support.
> >
> > I am saying this not to oppose the idea of annotations or the idea of
> > looking into C# and other languages (actually, I think anybody who talks
> > about it should look at least into what C# and Java do with it - and
> > also what Python does, which is completely different direction, just to
> > know other options). I'm just saying porting this to PHP may be less
> > than straightforward.
> >
> > --
> > Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
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