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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:09:22 +0200
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To: Tyler Sommer <sommertm@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision
From: g.b.yahav@gmail.com (Yahav Gindi Bar)

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Tyler Sommer <sommertm@gmail.com> wrote:

> Annotations are already a part of PHP. They are widely used in one of the
> most prolific frameworks, Symfony, and it's ORM "counterpart" Doctrine.
> Both of which are serious drivers of the PHP community. It's
> even potentially spreading to Zend Framework:
>
> http://zend-framework-community.634137.n4.nabble.com/Annotations-own-impl=
ementation-or-Doctrine-Commons-td4655427.html
>
> To say "they shouldn't be part of PHP" is fine, but it's too late for tha=
t.
> Annotations are already here. Are we going to just ignore this fact and
> hold back what a very significant portion of the community wants to see
> because it conflicts with some ambiguous master plan for PHP?
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Adam Harvey <aharvey@php.net> wrote:
>
> > On 10 January 2013 03:00, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, the point is that there are two ways of voicing your dislike. Y=
ou
> > can
> > > say "I never want this" or other rhetoric, which helps nobody else bu=
t
> to
> > > understand that you don't want it. Or you can be a little bit more
> civil
> > > and reply detailing your concerns, and say "Based on that, I don't li=
ke
> > > it".
> >
> > Amaury has a point, though.
> >
> > Personally, I don't think annotations belong in PHP. Now, I can
> > explain why based on my use of Symfony and Doctrine, but that suggests
> > that I'm going to change my mind when truthfully, I'm almost certainly
> > not going to =97 it's a difference of philosophy, rather than something
> > specific to the RFC or the patch.
> >
> > So my dilemma is this: how do I voice this (without simply a drive-by
> > -1 vote, which isn't really helpful either, and is overly discouraging
> > to the people who've put a lot of work in to polish the feature up)
> > without being shouted down for being unhelpful or uncivil?
> >
> > Adam, who isn't touching the rest of this discussion with a ten foot
> pole.
> >
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> >
>

You've touched the main point I think we should consider - we're
contributing for the community - if the community wish so much that
feature, that they've hacked some other (doccomment) in order to get their
desired result - I think that this is the best evidence that we should
include that in the language - the community really wish to have it.

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