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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:05:21 -0800
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To: Adam Harvey <aharvey@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision
From: sommertm@gmail.com (Tyler Sommer)

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Annotations are already a part of PHP. They are widely used in one of the
most prolific frameworks, Symfony, and it's ORM "counterpart" Doctrine.
Both of which are serious drivers of the PHP community. It's
even potentially spreading to Zend Framework:
http://zend-framework-community.634137.n4.nabble.com/Annotations-own-implem=
entation-or-Doctrine-Commons-td4655427.html

To say "they shouldn't be part of PHP" is fine, but it's too late for that.
Annotations are already here. Are we going to just ignore this fact and
hold back what a very significant portion of the community wants to see
because it conflicts with some ambiguous master plan for PHP?


Cheers.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Adam Harvey <aharvey@php.net> wrote:

> On 10 January 2013 03:00, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, the point is that there are two ways of voicing your dislike. You
> can
> > say "I never want this" or other rhetoric, which helps nobody else but =
to
> > understand that you don't want it. Or you can be a little bit more civi=
l
> > and reply detailing your concerns, and say "Based on that, I don't like
> > it".
>
> Amaury has a point, though.
>
> Personally, I don't think annotations belong in PHP. Now, I can
> explain why based on my use of Symfony and Doctrine, but that suggests
> that I'm going to change my mind when truthfully, I'm almost certainly
> not going to =97 it's a difference of philosophy, rather than something
> specific to the RFC or the patch.
>
> So my dilemma is this: how do I voice this (without simply a drive-by
> -1 vote, which isn't really helpful either, and is overly discouraging
> to the people who've put a lot of work in to polish the feature up)
> without being shouted down for being unhelpful or uncivil?
>
> Adam, who isn't touching the rest of this discussion with a ten foot pole=
.
>
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