Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64791 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 55592 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2013 01:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2013 01:39:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=adam@adamharvey.name; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=adam@adamharvey.name; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain adamharvey.name designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: adam@adamharvey.name X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.176 mail-ia0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.176] ([209.85.210.176:60324] helo=mail-ia0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6C/7D-02684-1DB1EE05 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:39:29 -0500 Received: by mail-ia0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y26so27012iab.7 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:39:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=adamharvey.name; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mXTygfNDEXx8UoDHedCEjRffNrwuKOjUuR0QiLIy1fA=; b=PlVQ/ThiZvgLq6I6NFlBKBeqdot3t8Tsq6nYjp5vURuc4IHvuW6zDWRBXOHpvdsRJo JgU6lG+OgAOW2umf1hXExpEbWVAI7As/ZOYWkdFi1V40PLh+RuW27IB8dpXzYO5qkhr9 YMOEzzJRk02x7axg+Vvc3gLHI15GOJSe1qkM4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=mXTygfNDEXx8UoDHedCEjRffNrwuKOjUuR0QiLIy1fA=; b=PqwOOg1S6m8OrMH+28OeeZna2Lndqlb/bNKuTqJR6HesBJhqQ0GOQSo2yALrjrNF6B GjOom+oDVFq5QhP8Ov4wzVC67g4271ZXcf2HeKNHnSMzerjofX38+wj2yXbRX62keIen 47ulCyVRQzw39XIBqBg6KmuKRhg0qdUlQaxzCCXgVR5WTJ61ZM4e/t/25Qre7oH1bHlO E7/5xF9+AEXkotzPpqXceg4sqLww+W56DvERzGu2GvKXcuhIfJ9EMkHKvUBOgyMrKbzM CXH6uXB6LKTaFlqVKFTIWOlOpfpKSTJYQ+a1Xpy+kq+tcc6fnz9w4Wd5/sNXh47K1akU sQ6A== Received: by 10.50.151.241 with SMTP id ut17mr3297461igb.107.1357781966779; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:39:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adam@adamharvey.name Received: by 10.43.132.193 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:39:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:39:06 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RcmryCP9FAwnXH8J_2tUyGGDdxY Message-ID: To: Anthony Ferrara Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlCZfj7mBG8aGuBkzX56EZF4xwPBtw9ZbtnFYGQwNpB5eK/qPwBe/CR5uwYDRx0BSZF+3VK Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision From: aharvey@php.net (Adam Harvey) On 10 January 2013 03:00, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > Well, the point is that there are two ways of voicing your dislike. You c= an > say "I never want this" or other rhetoric, which helps nobody else but to > understand that you don't want it. Or you can be a little bit more civil > and reply detailing your concerns, and say "Based on that, I don't like > it". Amaury has a point, though. Personally, I don't think annotations belong in PHP. Now, I can explain why based on my use of Symfony and Doctrine, but that suggests that I'm going to change my mind when truthfully, I'm almost certainly not going to =E2=80=94 it's a difference of philosophy, rather than somethi= ng specific to the RFC or the patch. So my dilemma is this: how do I voice this (without simply a drive-by -1 vote, which isn't really helpful either, and is overly discouraging to the people who've put a lot of work in to polish the feature up) without being shouted down for being unhelpful or uncivil? Adam, who isn't touching the rest of this discussion with a ten foot pole.