Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64788 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16690 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2013 22:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jan 2013 22:28:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=larry@garfieldtech.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=larry@garfieldtech.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain garfieldtech.com from 66.111.4.29 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: larry@garfieldtech.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.111.4.29 out5-smtp.messagingengine.com Received: from [66.111.4.29] ([66.111.4.29:59414] helo=out5-smtp.messagingengine.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8B/4B-02684-DEEEDE05 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:27:58 -0500 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4747820C80 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:27:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=5ECfwdkThiBUGhOr6JAFEV o9mI4=; b=lWzTlHXmMs4llHYCXijKzxOMTa7gBO3nP6O3MwcfWt/StlZl5btlH5 /tq66YGpzUl1xoTaUkKPSb1y8xgCRG8Y0T6pJzb4TxcneDMivr6jZDPAvlataBUk EixDRgQOQ22o8j5f0lEeJ187SdbZWp0EdMN34vSZey+hr737/Sr1U= X-Sasl-enc: t9u0YL92j4nQzn7IwkYI3XiQBr7lzjIDXgBTbuAHbs0/ 1357770474 Received: from Palantirs-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [209.41.114.202]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EA0E548268D for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:27:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50EDEEE9.60900@garfieldtech.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:27:53 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <50EDCB19.5000705@zerocue.com> In-Reply-To: <50EDCB19.5000705@zerocue.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) On 1/9/13 1:55 PM, Clint Priest wrote: > Just a thought here, but perhaps what PHP needs now is a working group > that works together to do some basic management of PHP as a language, > take into account what the users are wanting, talking about, requesting > and setting a vision and direction and make plans for what will and > won't and when. In short I think PHP lacks direction because "everyone > has a voice" and "nobody has authority." > > In the last two years of working on property accessors I think I have > found this to be the most dis-tasteful aspect of working on the project, > no person, document or group that leads. Relevant: http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm --Larry Garfield