Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64773 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75163 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2013 18:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jan 2013 18:35:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=amaury.bouchard@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=amaury.bouchard@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.169 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: amaury.bouchard@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.169 mail-gg0-f169.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.169] ([209.85.161.169:45458] helo=mail-gg0-f169.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E3/A4-02684-D68BDE05 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:35:25 -0500 Received: by mail-gg0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u4so397054ggl.0 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=VKDmVDi4JTt0rEQx6qbQ6nuGwokrha8r+THUNsHlLw4=; b=RYgH5m/FqCA+QdGrP+2sPzB7y1EqaKdhdF+5RrcPwpdpMYVOZ3BKJORsJZT8J9/1+2 4+5X9RuOuMKQzWHWVAo1b44IvLBu296O4wVDeNQPFUuPb4Duy2LkbOh37ehYmBZLVuKJ nPpITVQ/mSuvsoB1wQxGDjjY5Wg1qG3T+/tvpHxRONcKyzwhBObnJw7SXg/rj1BjKNL4 p4NmqWS+Ao1V7/HFvRd4BjmtSbNZoUA93CawCrXHLN8QpuG4JqKGYLFE3WTAtzt0cWf1 dA5x1xG5Yj638X9HueUILHVUe6sYdXZl5oKcqM92uK5cwYBsBKvbwdc8oT13KDOkPS3D eYsg== Received: by 10.101.143.20 with SMTP id v20mr190624ann.33.1357756522929; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:35:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: amaury.bouchard@gmail.com Received: by 10.146.16.26 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:35:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:35:01 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ps9XXLJ7Amgs1Sx5Yu2uoI0yhvE Message-ID: To: Anthony Ferrara Cc: Stas Malyshev , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ee4a43d9e0f04d2df53dd Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Was Reflection annotations reader - We Need A Vision From: amaury@amaury.net (Amaury Bouchard) --0016e68ee4a43d9e0f04d2df53dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2013/1/9 Anthony Ferrara > Stas, > > Would you shut up with this rhetoric already? All it does is show that > you're completely and utterly out of touch with the reality of modern > development. > > Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these recurring themes of > "PHP is not java" and "I never want this". If you never want this, then > don't contribute to the discussions at all. > What's the point? If only those who agree can talk, I'm not sure about the result... If Stas doesn't like the proposed syntax, how can he express his dislike in a sufficiently positive manner? (it's a honest candid question; I'm asking it even after receiving nice and harsh responses to my patch proposal last summer) > PHP NEEDS a vision. Rasmus' answer was about balance. I guess it's hard to strongly define what a language should be; there is no drawable line. Each step is questionable in some way, This balance is the strength of PHP, the root of its flexibility. But I totally understand your frustration. --0016e68ee4a43d9e0f04d2df53dd--