Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64309 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95182 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2012 20:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Dec 2012 20:39:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.160.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pb0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.42] ([209.85.160.42:54746] helo=mail-pb0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 18/6C-27715-B913EC05 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:39:56 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id rp2so3264380pbb.29 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:39:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=ECGUolbgo0GBxROC2W7J4/IIh1sIPuJB3no+hPqKYCk=; b=FzbldE2QsMXyV32oy+W13b1d909nI3E7RYvzjXgrVhMZPl8TagfgumuewkXZaVMwjY YFC+IfMAeBDxcvDnuTSu++k535n52ETBI4rNUmp9TOu9roBENNbP4GkZhr7BB1YQYacc buAYgYgWsdLbGvFs1pqIe6t2PSeli4KlgRv5QZmFFLjyK/i283H9lOr3JFFQTtLGi5PC s+tD7LmVY9BiGnO90ZFlO8pbQUbZQYgsyGNpI+VCzi26UE/rD+TkOq8AlsQyUxEcX+S1 5459xL7jBGDhaPv8aOLojvuPvKNpvstHsb+4+/wjuxwEe2cAIpvi9HQwx3rUadtmlW2z PpYw== Received: by 10.68.224.165 with SMTP id rd5mr37563356pbc.49.1355690393155; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.200.148] (c-50-131-44-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [50.131.44.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nm2sm6843668pbc.43.2012.12.16.12.39.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:39:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50CE3197.90403@lerdorf.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:39:51 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lester Caine CC: PHP internals References: <50CDDA20.8090400@lsces.co.uk> <50CE252D.5060305@lsces.co.uk> <50CE2ECB.5030804@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50CE2ECB.5030804@lsces.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmjObFcEXEWF88W1+E57F76Piht+47tZhaHyBbMFbvNUhHv822MUmVT8DOV3thj65rcYsNo Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Core liason for PHP FIG From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 12/16/2012 12:27 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > Anthony Ferrara wrote: >> can we please keep superfluous discussions like coding standards >> off-list? I >> have no issue with representation of fig discussion, but whitespace >> discussions >> have no place on this list... > > The standards being dictated by FIG are at odds with those adopted here > for many years? So should we be asking them to change the standard to > comply with already documented standards, or alternatively should we be > bowing to their proposals and rewriting the core standards? So the > discussion should be "Do we accept that they are a legitimate standards > authority?" or simply ask them to indicate that they ARE at odds with > the existing adopted standards? Lester, please stop arguing every point here. Especially really silly stuff like this. These are not even the same languages. The main core coding standards are all about C-specific things like freeing memory, zero-terminated strings, never using strncat, macro usage, preprocessor usage, internal naming, C-commenting, K&R style stuff, testing, folding, and yes there is a single line about tabs vs. spaces which is the one thing you zeroed in on and could possibly apply to both C code and PHP code, but the fact is that the core coding standards have nothing to do with user-space PHP coding standards and were written specifically to apply to the PHP core code written in C. -Rasmus