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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Core liason for PHP FIG
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Lars Strojny <lars@strojny.net> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> for all of you who don=92t know, PHP FIG (Framework Interoperability Grou=
p,
http://www.php-fig.org/) discusses ways frameworks and libraries can work
together and integrate much easier. Current PSRs are PSR-0 to standardize
autoloading, PSR-1 and PSR-2 that deal with coding styles. All three are
great initiatives so far in bridging gaps between projects and making the
PHP ecosystem, well, rounder.
>
> PHP core currently doesn=92t have a vote in that group and I think this i=
s
something we should change. Is anybody interested in taking part of the
discussions there and representing PHP core?
>
> cu,
> Lars
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My one concern with this idea is that it could give the erroneous
impression that the coding style standards your group advocates are
endorsed, implicitly or otherwise, by the PHP Group.  There is no
"official" standard when it comes to spaces vs. tabs and whether to place
brackets on the same line, for example.  Given how many different competing
standards there are out there, I fear that we could run the risk of showing
favoritism by "legitimizing" one standards group but not others.

Personally, and I'm just speaking for myself here, I think you guys
over-reached with your PSR-2 style guidelines.  I totally agree with your
goal of aiding consistency, but these standards are inherently arbitrary
and it makes me very uneasy to see anyone proclaim that such-and-such is
the "correct" style of doing something in PHP.  The only solution I can see
is to create several different style rulesets to reflect all the noteworthy
styles in popular use.  Of course, then you run the risk of undermining the
whole consistency goal.

I think XKCD put it best:  http://xkcd.com/927/


I wouldn't be adverse to us linking to your project, so long as we do the
same for any others that crop-up and we make it clear that these
third-party standards are not officially endorsed by the PHP Group.  I also
think it's cool if anyone here wants to join your project and contribute,
so long as that person is representing him/her self.

That's my take on this.

--Kris

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