Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:64264 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31803 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2012 19:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Dec 2012 19:51:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=larry@garfieldtech.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=larry@garfieldtech.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain garfieldtech.com from 66.111.4.28 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: larry@garfieldtech.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.111.4.28 out4-smtp.messagingengine.com Received: from [66.111.4.28] ([66.111.4.28:48113] helo=out4-smtp.messagingengine.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 70/3D-54245-4CE87C05 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:51:32 -0500 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7DC2025E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:51:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=GuNCQC2AwFkxCLbRlhNoLa iFoy8=; b=E990pZJO2FGYX6CujU9kRiM5niTAZMWK7Zg4erxmwoqNUV6aLHlQ7M Rq+30+75FSdcC8T8oy47RZWpcYUJYTYcMNTgemoh/XAL3edb5L69tovZIJ8VKbkR GjKp/7r64Pz0Uecksen/voK623iaJOR/lYYT0UbaWy5mBx1+UELvQ= X-Sasl-enc: zzibVe268romHGASnt+au1CaBY8NYtdkmXgFmp4WranQ 1355255490 Received: from Palantirs-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [209.41.114.202]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F1A6948275C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:51:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50C78EC1.20802@garfieldtech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:51:29 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <1355137083.3178.24.camel@guybrush> <1355149959.3178.52.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1355149959.3178.52.camel@guybrush> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 - end of live schedule From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield) On 12/10/12 8:32 AM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 14:10 +0100, Pierre Joye wrote: >> There was no consensus, I am not sure where you get the idea. > > By spending the time to go through the thread, taking the opinions > stated there, filtering out side discussions (like LTS based release > models etc) evaluating it (partly subjective) and summarizing it as in > the mail starting this thread. > >> However, we discussed to wait a bit before proposing the RFC to >> clearly and cleanly define the EOL of 5.3. > > Your message saying "5.4 was released on March, 1st. That's why I asked > this question now while it should have been done before." which is one > of the last from the thread doesnt' sound like delaying for additional > 3/4 years for a decision. > >> I will clean up this RFC and call for vote later this week (most >> likely tomorrow). It is very important to follow this step instead of >> simply say, hey, I will go down this way because I like it ;-) > > feel free to do what you want. > >> The delay is way too short for 3rd parties to adapt. > > If people can provide reasons to extend it I'm open to hear those. > > johannes As a data point, Drupal 8 is slated to target PHP 5.3. Probably 5.3.10 and up, with release targeted in the second half of 2013. That is based primarily on our investigation into what is actually shipping in Linux distributions, and what the market looks like it will probably look like. There's still plenty of places deploying Drupal on PHP 5.2, even though I try to avoid using them myself, including large "enterprise" hosting services. (I'd love to be pushing to PHP 5.4 faster, but the lag time for distributions and hosts is painful.) --Larry Garfield