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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] DateTime improvement
From: drgomesp@gmail.com (Daniel Ribeiro Gomes)

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People tend to desire API changes that go on the same directions they are
going.

That's nature...


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2012/12/11 Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>

> Hi!
>
> > As Nikita says, from an ORM perspective, an object is always immutable
> > (at least with current implementations I know of), and that's because
> > they can simply use the object hashes to identify two different objects.
>
> Why for ORM Date is even an object? In most databases, date is a basic
> value type, and should be accepted by value, not as a complex object.
> So, it should also be identified as the value - for number 1, you do not
> need additional identity or hash except it being number 1, same should
> be for dates.
>
> > I don't believe (at all) in "if you don't need it mutable, don't use
> > modify() oroverride modify()". If the API is there, people will use it.
> > We tried to implement an immutable DateTime in userland, but it doesn't
> > work out well...
>
> Why it doesn't work well and why PHP needs to be changed because of it?
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