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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:24:43 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 - end of live schedule
From: johannes@php.net (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

On Mon, 2012-12-10 at 21:08 +0800, Adam Harvey wrote:
> To be honest, Debian isn't really the distribution I'm worried about.
> Ondřej does good work, and Debian Wheezy has PHP 5.4 and isn't miles
> off, it seems.
> 
> RHEL and Ubuntu are mostly the ones I'm thinking of here — RHEL 7 is
> supposed to be out in the second half of next year, but history (and
> my own experience both in supporting users and dealing with vendors)
> suggests that RHEL users are slow to upgrade. Ubuntu won't have
> another LTS release until 2014.

All those are interested in are "critical"/"security" fixes. Besides
that the version is frozen. So for those I don't see a benefit to
continue providing unrelated fixes.

> > Please also mind: Most bugs exist for years, most are older than 5.3. If
> > they lived with those on 5.2 they are no stoppers to migrate away from
> > there. The biggest category of 5.3-only bugs is around gc. PHP 5.3 won't
> > stop working and for operations there is no big difference after
> > February 2013 ... rather less risk of getting bug fixes which, by
> > accident, change behavior. Therefore after February 2013 users updating
> > need less validation when updating.
> 
> All true as well. And as I said, I'm not really gunning for full
> support to be extended (beyond 5.5.0 final, anyway).
> 
> I think the idea of being flexible on this is fine so long as there's
> an eventual hard and fast date announced some time next year. Let's
> see how the distro situation shakes out, and how the charm offensive
> in the first half of next year goes in terms of getting users to
> upgrade to 5.4 and 5.5. :) I just wanted to flag it, mostly.

... and getting this discussion is why I sent the mail out.

johannes