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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Property Accessors v1.2 : Internal Accessor Method
 Visibility / Callability
From: cpriest@zerocue.com (Clint Priest)

On 10/28/2012 2:04 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> Stas, you should probably do some research before posting such non-sense:
> Which part is "non-sense"? I've brought you examples of Python and Ruby
> not doing exactly what you claim all languages are doing. By your
> definition, they don't have accessors - as you define accessors as
> hidden methods that are uncallable and unavailable and not defined as
> regular methods. In both Ruby and Python they are callable and defined
> as regular (or regular with some special attributes) method.
>
> I've brought you examples of popular languages that don't have this
> feature at all - Java and standard C++ don't have it. I was wrong on
> Javascript - though in Javascript, functions work differently from PHP
> so there's no real relation to the current discussion.
>
>> By accessors I am simply referring to getters, setters (and in the case
>> of php, issetter and unsetter).
> I wish it was so, but it was mentioned many times in this discussion
> that "accessors should be accessors" and that only the situation where
> accessors are special functions that are not defined as regular methods,
> are not callable and are hidden from reflection, etc. is the situation
> where "accessors are accessors". This is not the case in Python, Ruby,
> MS C++, D and Delphi by your own link - in all these cases, the
> properties are defined as regular methods (possibly with some special
> salt added) and no special effort is taken to hide them from any of the
> language facilities and make them not callable.
> Of course, there are also examples of languages going the other way -
> namely, C#, F# and VB - but by no means the claim that I would be hard
> pressed to find example of the languages which do not implement your
> notion of "accessors being accessors" is true. For most dynamic
> languages, the concept of "accessors being accessors" - hidden,
> non-callable pseudo-methods - is a foreign concept.
>
I see what you're talking about, I felt like you were saying these other 
languages did not support accessors (getters, setters, etc). Those other 
languages do not "hide" them, no.  This was Nikita's suggestion, I will 
let her fight for it.
-- 
-Clint