Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:63508 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 63096 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2012 17:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Oct 2012 17:04:28 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jeremiah.dodds@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jeremiah.dodds@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jeremiah.dodds@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.170 mail-ie0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.170] ([209.85.223.170:47929] helo=mail-ie0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 77/FF-64689-A15EE705 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:04:26 -0400 Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id c12so14024809ieb.29 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=ZzEeRlqIDuQGoNay7HXyuVES/BIPoyqLLVELATWK6sY=; b=O7ChU9F7WM68IcTGxsmL+EHoxHVDNeggUehjxsXX7nrPThr44AFBantvGbsVYiSx0Y OHD6hqmrD5FvrzXBP+AGXONJFUHpgB7rnlb023pAoYp6vagokGy92GO3M81LxBXrAmIN vfWm/H3dXq3l/58rtKFUHBLQbOw/W1J3e+sXuIm/pdqHwEr4RBrpDye8RvTYfcZEvONI oGtC+zS4X7XvRKHXrw1EDfDCM5E1jlkx3oRu9te870eJ0blUzqHW4g2ZeCLaYIOPFv9z NwsYKXsivr9Cry4JL3R9eXTPJzgBaDjYhOYufJJbkSelvXMhHE1nQOR+FY/dq6xTiwuW IQag== Received: by 10.43.97.8 with SMTP id ci8mr15126910icc.28.1350493462998; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from friendface (cpe-98-27-142-179.neo.res.rr.com. [98.27.142.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm12028483igd.15.2012.10.17.10.04.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:04:21 -0700 (PDT) To: Pierre Joye Cc: Clint Priest , "internals\@lists.php.net" In-Reply-To: (Pierre Joye's message of "Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:17:43 +0200") References: <9570D903A3BECE4092E924C2985CE485612B78D3@MBX202.domain.local> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: <878vb5av6o.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Alternatives to mailing list? From: jeremiah.dodds@gmail.com (Jeremiah Dodds) (sorry if this is a double-post, I finger-fudged pretty hard) Pierre Joye writes: > hi, > > To all readers of this exact thread. No, we won't install a forum on > php.net or nowhere else to discuss php.net issues. We have mailing > lists, and it works well. Just to throw in the opinion of someone who lurks this list and rarely, if ever, posts -- it can be frustrating when communities split up their "threaded" communications. Communities with separate forums and mailing lists often end up with the same info posted in differente places, and if you're looking for information, or looking to try to help people, you have to check in a bunch of places -- and that's after knowing what those places are. I can understand the frustration people have over reading lists in email readers, one solution to that is for them to use something that knows how to handle USENET, a sane reader doesn't make viewing giant threaded discussions a pain. That said, it's a little ridiculous to expect people to figure out a new reader or whatever. Luckily, forums are jut a web version of USENET. There are a few existing tools that take a mailing list and mirror it to a web-based forum and vice-versa, and it makes a lot of sense -- different frontends for the same set of data. It might make sense to consider setting up something like groupserver[1] for the existing lists, I'm not familiar with your setup, so I don't know if that would be more pain than it's worth. Footnotes: [1] http://groupserver.org/ -- Jeremiah Dodds blog : http://jdodds.github.com github : https://github.com/jdodds freenode/skype : exhortatory twitter : kaens