Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:63097 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 12433 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2012 18:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Sep 2012 18:29:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.187 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.187 c2beaomr09.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.187] ([213.123.26.187:26316] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 96/BC-07072-F6DB8505 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:29:04 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id JBJ96761; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:29:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <5058BD6B.9060909@lsces.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:28:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <5058A697.30903@sugarcrm.com> <5058A8B8.3070404@sugarcrm.com> <5058A97A.4080900@ajf.me> <5058AABA.1040406@sugarcrm.com> <5058AC72.4050906@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <5058AC72.4050906@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.5058BD6B.00A0, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.9.18.180317:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __INT_PROD_COMP, BODY_ENDS_IN_URL, BODY_SIZE_1500_1599, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020C.5058BD6C.0060:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Implementing a core anti-XSS escaping class From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Andrew Faulds wrote: >> No, he's not. Filtering and escaping are two very significant concepts in >> security. Just because PHP implemented some escaping concepts into the filter >> function does not mean that the concerns are co-related. > Ah, again you see, I'm confusing things :) In the security context, English > language context, and signal processing context, a filter removes. In computer > science, but not computer security, it processes. > > I'm very confused :P A filter simply takes an input and produces an output. There is nothing to say that the output can't be bigger than the input? I'd happily accept a filter that takes one language in and outputs a different one. Alright that filter requires a considerably more complex processing than taking a .css file and outputting it as a colour coded document, or taking a piece of raw tagged html and outputting in a format that allows it to be displayed rather than processed in the browser. Certainly a dictionary definition of 'filter' always implies that a reduced set of material comes out, so perhaps we need to use a different word, for the process, but the same 'process' applies to all of these 'conversions'. An input data format is converted to an output data format? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk