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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Why are the PHP namespaces different compared to C++?
From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine)

Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> I wasn't assuming. I was outright making a factual statement. I never
>> made any implications of the intellectual levels of those implementing
>> the spec. I understand the RFC full well and know why the design is
>> the way it is. I was answering the ops question. Please read what I
>> said before you make your own assumptions.
>
> Sorry, statements like "haphazard way", "never well designed", "it's a
> mess", "they don't really resemble namespaces", "just some fancy magic",
> etc. have nothing to do with facts. Actually, facts are exactly the
> opposite - they were designed, were extensively discussed with
> soliciting feedback from many stakeholders, and were implemented exactly
> as planned. You may not like the way there were implemented, that's your
> opinion (not a fact) and you are entitled to it. But you didn't limit
> yourself to saying "I don't like them". You specifically said that they
> were never well designed and haphazardly implemented. This is factually
> false.

Stas ... One thing to bear in mind is that even for those of us for whom English 
is our only language it is sometimes difficult to explain what we mean. Sherif's 
were perhaps a little 'provocative' but were an accurate reflection of his view 
on the results of implementing namespaces. It is a compromise rather than 
something that sits naturally in PHP?

What a lot of newcomers need to understand is that PHP is NOT compiled, so a 
heck of a lot of what they are used to just happening is physically impossible, 
and namespace is a good case in point. Personally I have yet to see a good 
example of the use of namespaces in third party libraries, and like Sherif avoid 
them preferring simply so that while the code may be more verbose, it's clear 5 
years later what was intended :) A lot of the current 'magic' makes it difficult 
to pick up and work with other peoples code later on.

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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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