Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62888 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6820 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2012 01:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Sep 2012 01:04:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=theanomaly.is@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=theanomaly.is@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: theanomaly.is@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.170 mail-lb0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.170] ([209.85.217.170:40155] helo=mail-lb0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 25/B2-03079-D1849405 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:04:30 -0400 Received: by lbbgp3 with SMTP id gp3so1630547lbb.29 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TBc9SCuhoVA5Wxr18i9xTN+LMJWXneV5FbWkSq/n0CQ=; b=lxs1oLJbEm3JPXJZnlwDIMcKseRurivK3uF4afnxITnzLj5CH/nuE2gBAtjJDIew29 ddFnlLTwFp4Ni00XUQ8BvVg2hN9skr+EYp7YHjowtFTQ/9W/2cxIOwXkAAY/dnxlgFzR P6a/tSNdQ+lmEArp8gYETlqzQfsRs0RFrGnzqZ9v6YuiJMNgiUH39ngK2WTORYTXon/H 8HQiDMBIt3dBf+M0j1XnOMYYi7Vj5xWzU82q2FFoLUf+mtQV4I+CgPu+htOlrCzNQ6Kd AjyNS6ELjZ5xjF2if46jU2r/keQ8XFYiciJ5CVOI8vl1NB8VsZTtwFY+Cx60n5fvGOoS t9sA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.195 with SMTP id tu3mr3553873lab.16.1346979866988; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.12.178 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 18:04:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50494740.6030205@sugarcrm.com> References: <504941BE.30102@sugarcrm.com> <50494740.6030205@sugarcrm.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 21:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Why are the PHP namespaces different compared to C++? From: theanomaly.is@gmail.com (Sherif Ramadan) On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> I wasn't assuming. I was outright making a factual statement. I never >> made any implications of the intellectual levels of those implementing >> the spec. I understand the RFC full well and know why the design is >> the way it is. I was answering the ops question. Please read what I >> said before you make your own assumptions. > > Sorry, statements like "haphazard way", "never well designed", "it's a > mess", "they don't really resemble namespaces", "just some fancy magic", > etc. have nothing to do with facts. Actually, facts are exactly the > opposite - they were designed, were extensively discussed with > soliciting feedback from many stakeholders, and were implemented exactly > as planned. You may not like the way there were implemented, that's your > opinion (not a fact) and you are entitled to it. But you didn't limit > yourself to saying "I don't like them". You specifically said that they > were never well designed and haphazardly implemented. This is factually > false. Fair enough. I'll be more careful to separate my opinions from my objective answers next time :) > > -- > Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect > SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ > (408)454-6900 ext. 227