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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 20:42:36 -0400
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To: Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Why are the PHP namespaces different compared to C++?
From: theanomaly.is@gmail.com (Sherif Ramadan)

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> Yes, PHP namespaces are completely different from what you'd be used
>> to in C++. In all honesty namespaces were never well designed in PHP
>> and were implemented in a haphazard way, which is why I generally
>> don't bother using them.
>
> I just love how people assume if something does not fit their specific
> use case people implementing it must be stupid and didn't bother to
> actually think about it. If only they gave it some though, they would
> definitely would do it exactly as you want.

I wasn't assuming. I was outright making a factual statement. I never
made any implications of the intellectual levels of those implementing
the spec. I understand the RFC full well and know why the design is
the way it is. I was answering the ops question. Please read what I
said before you make your own assumptions.

>
>> To clarify, importing namespaces in PHP isn't like importing
>> namespaces in C++ at all, really. You are merely aliasing namespaces
>
> There's no importing namespaces in PHP, period. It is not "messy", it is
> by design, and if you bothered to read extensive discussions that
> happened on the list at the time, you'd know why. But of course who
> needs that.

Right, that's exactly what I said. Thanks for reiterating.

>
>> It simply doesn't work like that because PHP's namespaces are
>> implemented in such a way that they don't really resemble namespaces.
>
> They do not resemble namespaces in C++. They resemble namespaces in PHP.
> That's because PHP is not C++.
>

Sure, I just said that. Albeit I said it a more indirect manner.

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